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Old 30th June 2015, 11:28   #21
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Old 24th July 2015, 22:31   #22
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England could have three keepers in their next ODI team but none of them are particularly good behind the stumps. Further proof that the art of wicket keeping is no longer valued.
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I think if Bairstow gets a decent run in the side he could easily push his test average above 35.
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Chandimal averages 54 as keeper from 14 Tests, though I guess he will play as a specialist bat more now Sanga has retired.
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Old 9th November 2015, 19:01   #26
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I think if Bairstow gets a decent run in the side he could easily push his test average above 35.
Agreed. But the current wicket-keeping crisis - and I don't think that is too strong a word - makes you realise what a superb cricketer Matt Prior was.

If you gave Prior, say, 8/10, then Bairstow would rank 4/10, Buttler 3/10 and Billings 0/10 , given that England don't even consider him to be a keeper but a lower-order slogger who might be useful in the final five overs of an ODI.
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I think if Bairstow gets a decent run in the side he could easily push his test average above 35.
That's going to require a serious step up. He's played 20 tests and it's 26.4. To get to an average of 35 in the next 20 tests he would have to average 43.6 across those 20 tests.
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Looks like Bairstow will have the gloves as Buttler has a finger injury.

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Bairstow may be a capable deputy but he remains an inferior keeper to Buttler and missed a second stumping off his Yorkshire team-mate Adil Rashid in a matter of days when he took over from Buttler in the win against Hong Kong.
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Agreed. But the current wicket-keeping crisis - and I don't think that is too strong a word - makes you realise what a superb cricketer Matt Prior was.

If you gave Prior, say, 8/10, then Bairstow would rank 4/10, Buttler 3/10 and Billings 0/10 , given that England don't even consider him to be a keeper but a lower-order slogger who might be useful in the final five overs of an ODI.
Prior was overrated by some when he played and still seems to be now.

None of the current crop is a poorer keeper and a couple of them are better batsmen, one of whom can at least try to construct an innings according to the needs of the situation.
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one of whom can at least try to construct an innings according to the needs of the situation.
I wonder which one that might be? Chances are his final Test record won't be as good as Prior's though.

Just as Prior couldn't take catches off Sidebottom in the early days it would appear that Bairstow cannot read Rashid, bit of a surprise given they play for the same county. He might be as good as Prior was at the start (both were / are poor) but he's nowhere near where he was at his peak.
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Prior was overrated by some when he played and still seems to be now.
Yawn. More than 4000 Test runs at an average of over 40. Turned into a top keeper with time, too.

If only Bairstow or Buttler were half as good...

Prior is one of the five quality players England have still not managed to replace (the others being Strauss as Cook's opening partner, Trott at three, KP in the middle order and Swann).
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Yawn. More than 4000 Test runs at an average of over 40. Turned into a top keeper with time, too...
Yawn. Figures again. No, he didn't.
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...it would appear that Bairstow cannot read Rashid, bit of a surprise given they play for the same county. ...
It's so amusing when people base a theory on so little evidence.

Bairstow probably wasn't expecting the googly - a bowler usually lets his keeper know when it's coming. It may not have been intended. Perhaps the ball just behaved as it wasn't intended to.
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Bairstow probably wasn't expecting the googly.
You would think he could read him by now, wouldn't you?

Get over it, he's not a good keeper. I know these things are difficult for you to accept.
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It's so amusing when people base a theory on so little evidence.
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Agreed. But the current wicket-keeping crisis - and I don't think that is too strong a word - makes you realise what a superb cricketer Matt Prior was.

If you gave Prior, say, 8/10, then Bairstow would rank 4/10, Buttler 3/10 and Billings 0/10 , given that England don't even consider him to be a keeper but a lower-order slogger who might be useful in the final five overs of an ODI.
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Yawn. More than 4000 Test runs at an average of over 40. Turned into a top keeper with time, too.

If only Bairstow or Buttler were half as good...

Prior is one of the five quality players England have still not managed to replace (the others being Strauss as Cook's opening partner, Trott at three, KP in the middle order and Swann).
Totally agree with you - Prior was an outstanding England player. His keeping was pretty ropey at the start of his career (similar to Bairstow and Buttler now) but he improved markedly over time. His batting was in a different league.
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Bairstow probably wasn't expecting the googly - a bowler usually lets his keeper know when it's coming. It may not have been intended. Perhaps the ball just behaved as it wasn't intended to.
Oh crikey no. Just plain no.

Any decent keeper watches the bowler's hand & has a very good idea of what is coming. As others have said when he plays for the same County he really should recognize the hand action.

I kept wicket for 15yrs to a decent standard & I always watched the spinners hand. I could pick a googly or wrong un a mile off. Still couldn't catch the thing mind you.

There's merit to your ball doing something different argument, that would explaing the mis-read. You have no proof of this though so it is just a theory.

As for the Prior keeping comment..... Prior ended up a far superior keeper to what either Buttler or Bairstow are right now. It's not even a comparison.
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I wonder if anyone has a link to the catch bairstow dropped in the ODI series vs aus (or maybe NZ). He was stood back to an 83 mph delivery and a small edge did nothing to the ball coming at perfect height and he dropped it. The idea that prior was not a vastly superior keeper is frankly laughable.
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I wonder if anyone has a link to the catch bairstow dropped in the ODI series vs aus (or maybe NZ). He was stood back to an 83 mph delivery and a small edge did nothing to the ball coming at perfect height and he dropped it.
I don't remember it. Was it as bad as this?
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You would think he could read him by now, wouldn't you?

Get over it, he's not a good keeper. I know these things are difficult for you to accept.
It's probably nothing to do with reading him. If one has limited cricket knowledge one may not know this, but a bowler will usually let his keeper know when he is going to try a variation. The claim above that a keeper will just try to read him and not use the advantage of knowing a bowler's intention is, frankly, nonsense. It would also lead to a few mistakes, especially over so many years, and suggests a career playing in a team of not very serious players.

An intended leg spin delivery behaving like a googly often happens.

Who said Bairstow was a good keeper? Not I. He's simply as good as many other keeper/batsmen but probably a better batsman. I wonder if you'll remember I posted that next time the topic is raised.
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