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Old 11th November 2015, 17:23   #61
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Old 11th November 2015, 18:11   #62
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In my ever-so-humble opinion Ben Cox of Worcester is a far superior keeper
to Bairstow, Billings and especially Buttler.
With a FC batting average of just over 27 he's trailing the other three but he plays some good knocks and his keeping is admired by James Foster who knows something about the art.
One day he may play for England, in the unlikely event that keeping is prized more than runs by the selectors.
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Old 26th November 2015, 22:50   #63
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Very impressed by Billings scooping Wahab.
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Old 27th November 2015, 13:51   #64
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Brilliant little innings from Billings last night - I think England might have another gem on their hands. I hope we get to see Buttler and Billings in full flight at some point.
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Old 27th November 2015, 14:27   #65
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Brilliant little innings from Billings last night - I think England might have another gem on their hands. I hope we get to see Buttler and Billings in full flight at some point.
Obviously this is more his format than 50 overs but you can see why people want him as a last few overs specialist in a side that bats a very long way down to compensate for being terribly aggressive.
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Old 27th November 2015, 16:07   #66
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Obviously this is more his format than 50 overs but you can see why people want him as a last few overs specialist in a side that bats a very long way down to compensate for being terribly aggressive.
Why obviously?

He averages 41.81 at a strike-rate of 113.20 in List A cricket and has more List A hundreds than T20 50s.
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Why obviously?

He averages 41.81 at a strike-rate of 113.20 in List A cricket and has more List A hundreds than T20 50s.
Yes, he was one of the outstanding two or three batsmen in last year's One Day Cup but has never really set the T20 on fire for Kent.
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Billings is one that is well worth persevering with. You have to know when you're onto a winner and when you're not and they're worth ignoring because of the detrimental effect they have on the team. Typical of people who shorten their name to two letters... not mentioning any names KP *cough cough*
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Why obviously?

He averages 41.81 at a strike-rate of 113.20 in List A cricket and has more List A hundreds than T20 50s.
Fair point and I was talking about his batting style rather than his record but there's clearly a sample size issue with any young player in T20, especially coming in down the the order. For anyone doing so, you can't really be looking at their average or number of 50s scored, because they will have so few chances to bat long (even in relative terms for T20). Having said that, his T20 SR isn't extraordinary at 120 and his 50 over SR is.

What's your interpretation of the data and his game then, in terms of what his role is? I'm already on record as saying that I'd be playing him as a specialist last 10 or so overs slogger / innovater in 50 over cricket, which I think you agreed with. If he's not as suited to T20 as 50 over then that probably isn't what you'd use him for, is it?

There is the more general question around whether county efforts are all that useful in judging batsmen for the lower middle order in limited overs internationals. Clearly all the batsmen you pick ought to be good enough that they'll be top 4 for counties. That's not what they're all doing internationally though. Dare we mention Ravi Bopara?
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Billings is one that is well worth persevering with. You have to know when you're onto a winner and when you're not and they're worth ignoring because of the detrimental effect they have on the team. Typical of people who shorten their name to two letters... not mentioning any names KP *cough cough*
Would it be possible for you to ban yourself for this kind of behaviour?
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Fair point and I was talking about his batting style rather than his record but there's clearly a sample size issue with any young player in T20, especially coming in down the the order. For anyone doing so, you can't really be looking at their average or number of 50s scored, because they will have so few chances to bat long (even in relative terms for T20). Having said that, his T20 SR isn't extraordinary at 120 and his 50 over SR is.

What's your interpretation of the data and his game then, in terms of what his role is? I'm already on record as saying that I'd be playing him as a specialist last 10 or so overs slogger / innovater in 50 over cricket, which I think you agreed with. If he's not as suited to T20 as 50 over then that probably isn't what you'd use him for, is it?

There is the more general question around whether county efforts are all that useful in judging batsmen for the lower middle order in limited overs internationals. Clearly all the batsmen you pick ought to be good enough that they'll be top 4 for counties. That's not what they're all doing internationally though. Dare we mention Ravi Bopara?
I have no problem whatsoever with him in the T20 team. My issue was you trying to discount him from ODIs. I'd have him in both. He's a talent.

Ravi Bopara should always be mentioned when selecting England limited overs sides. Probably tests as well.
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I have no problem whatsoever with him in the T20 team. My issue was you trying to discount him from ODIs. I'd have him in both. He's a talent.

Ravi Bopara should always be mentioned when selecting England limited overs sides. Probably tests as well.
As I pointed out, I'd be picking him in ODIs too but probably in a T20 type role. Disappointed you didn't have more to say on how you judge players for that kind of role.

Ravi should get a mention for comedy value?
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As I pointed out, I'd be picking him in ODIs too but probably in a T20 type role. Disappointed you didn't have more to say on how you judge players for that kind of role.

Ravi should get a mention for comedy value?
Not having a good time in the BPL - 3 innings 10 runs HS 5 ave 3.33
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Old 29th November 2015, 00:34   #74
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As I pointed out, I'd be picking him in ODIs too but probably in a T20 type role. Disappointed you didn't have more to say on how you judge players for that kind of role.

Ravi should get a mention for comedy value?
I don't see that much difference between T20 and ODI batting to be honest. ODI gives you longer to play yourself in, but both need that explosiveness. The likes of Roy, Hales, Morgan, Buttler, Billings and Stokes should be in both limited overs formats (although some of those may need to be rotated to avoid burn-out). I'm after batsmen with the wow factor.

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No mention of his bowling. Like Collingwood towards the end of his career, I think that's his strongest suit in limited overs cricket. His limited overs bowling is criminally underrated.
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I don't see that much difference between T20 and ODI batting to be honest. ODI gives you longer to play yourself in, but both need that explosiveness. The likes of Roy, Hales, Morgan, Buttler, Billings and Stokes should be in both limited overs formats (although some of those may need to be rotated to avoid burn-out). I'm after batsmen with the wow factor.



No mention of his bowling. Like Collingwood towards the end of his career, I think that's his strongest suit in limited overs cricket. His limited overs bowling is criminally underrated.
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Yes he's now a bowler who bats.

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I don't see that much difference between T20 and ODI batting to be honest. ODI gives you longer to play yourself in, but both need that explosiveness. The likes of Roy, Hales, Morgan, Buttler, Billings and Stokes should be in both limited overs formats (although some of those may need to be rotated to avoid burn-out). I'm after batsmen with the wow factor.



No mention of his bowling. Like Collingwood towards the end of his career, I think that's his strongest suit in limited overs cricket. His limited overs bowling is criminally underrated.
Only bowler to take any wickets in today's game
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He's batting at the moment
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Anyway: from a Test perspective it's Bairstow ahead by a country mile, with or without signs.

And it's Billings for ODIs and T20s.
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I kind of scroll past anything to do with it these days but it can derail threads (like here the discussion of Bairstow and Billings has gone the way of Chris Read's test career) which makes it tough going for non-regulars and newbies.
Who did actually pick the Ashley Giles arm ball better, Read or Jones?

(The answer was Prior all along, btw)
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