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Old 4th December 2015, 12:17   #101
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Perhaps a bit of both. They are not mutually exclusive.

He may need some indication of a delivery down the leg side, though.
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Old 4th December 2015, 12:34   #102
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Can he pick the Googly or will he need a signal?
Not sure if Denly can bowl one.
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Old 4th December 2015, 14:58   #103
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Buttler would go straight back in for me, yes.

Jonny b needs to figure out that he is allowed to hit the ball through mid on. He can't hit test bowlers through mid wicket and square leg with the skill that kp and trott had. That said, I would have him in the side. Cook, hales, Taylor, root, bairstow stokes, buttler, moeen, woakes, broad, Jimmy. Best England tail in history (it will need to be with hales, Taylor, Jonny and stokes)
Yes, that's a very long batting line-up -- and potentially a very explosive and dangerous nos 5--8. I think my preference would be to pick Compton instead of Buttler, put him at no. 3, Taylor at 5, and Bairstow with the gloves at 7. Because then you'd still have a very dangerous lower-middle order, but you'd also have a more solid top order above it.

KP and Trott had very good eyes but they also had a tendency to get out LBW or caught from a leading edge on account of playing across the line. But I remember sitting upstairs at Lord's with my uncle years ago, watching Mark Waugh score a century against us, when it seemed that his main scoring shot was the leg-side clip, played from balls on or even outside the stumps. Must be absolutely maddening to bowl to a batsman doing that successfully.
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Old 27th December 2015, 20:30   #104
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Just seen the drop, not pretty. Was definitely his catch. Lucky lad that Broad bailed him out, you can't go giving Amla lives.

For the mods, can we edit the title here to include Buttler? This could then become the active keeper thread.
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Old 27th December 2015, 22:53   #105
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Bob Willis on the verdict putting the boot in to Bairstow again. Saying he's no foot movement and he's just there to stop some balls and score runs. Though with that drop he arguably had too much foot movement, as he could have left it to Cook at first slip.
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Just seen the drop, not pretty. Was definitely his catch. Lucky lad that Broad bailed him out, you can't go giving Amla lives.

For the mods, can we edit the title here to include Buttler? This could then become the active keeper thread.
That's just a question of what you criticise him for anyway, isn't it: either rubbish catching if it was his catch or bad judgement and rubbish catching if it wasn't? To be fair to him, it wasn't an easy one but he's missed quite a few chances somewhere between moderately difficult and not that difficult.
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Old 28th December 2015, 08:50   #107
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Only saw the Amla drop but in amongst the criticism of his keeping, I think it needs to be acknowledged that his runs were important.

I still favour Buttler as the long term keeper, but he's still developing as a keeper and isn't the finished article either.
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Old 28th December 2015, 11:09   #108
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That's just a question of what you criticise him for anyway, isn't it: either rubbish catching if it was his catch or bad judgement and rubbish catching if it wasn't? To be fair to him, it wasn't an easy one but he's missed quite a few chances somewhere between moderately difficult and not that difficult.
If he totally leaves it alone then Cook has a chance of going for it. His movement was so aggressive though that it was his catch straight away, so he then has to catch it.

Been watching him far more closely this Morning & he's prone to errors standing back. Inconsistent footwork, little give with the mitts & the ultimate no no which is taking the ball right in front of his body on occasions. The purists won't be happy.

That said on first viewing he's better standing up than Buttler, but then again so in my cousin's miniature schnauzer.
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There's not a great deal to choose between the candidates we have. If Bairstow follows up his first innings knock in this match with some more good efforts, he should keep the gloves until he doesn't.
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There's not a great deal to choose between the candidates we have. If Bairstow follows up his first innings knock in this match with some more good efforts, he should keep the gloves until he doesn't.
Depends on his keeping too. I appreciate Buttler's not brilliant but if Bairstow turns out to be a total liability behind the timbers he can't stay in.
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I realise we're six pages into this thread, but a catchier title wouid be
Bairstow, Billings and Buttler the Battle for Back-stop.
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I realise we're six pages into this thread, but a catchier title wouid be
Bairstow, Billings and Buttler the Battle for Back-stop.


(Although maybe catchier isn't in the spirit of this thread)
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I realise we're six pages into this thread, but a catchier title wouid be
Bairstow, Billings and Buttler the Battle for Back-stop.
Can we include Bates, Brown and Burgess as well?
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(Although maybe catchier isn't in the spirit of this thread)
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Bairstow has been a little error-prone but actually AB has made some real howlers which have probably been worse. Teams usually have problem positions or problems getting a balanced team - at the moment keeper, spinner and opener berths have all had better versions in recent past, but think they are the best choices available at the moment
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I realise we're six pages into this thread, but a catchier title wouid be
Bairstow, Billings and Buttler the Battle for Back-stop.
Catchier but is it accurate?

I always thought backstop was the person made to stand on the boundary directly behind the keeper. T' Internet both disagrees and agrees with me, suggesting that the keeper can also be called backstop and the boundary position both backstop and longstop.
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Another mistake from Bairstow, tougher chance than Amla's drop though.

Here's a thought, we have a very strong tail now so is there an argument for picking a 'genuine' keeper at 8?
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Another mistake from Bairstow, tougher chance than Amla's drop though.

Here's a thought, we have a very strong tail now so is there an argument for picking a 'genuine' keeper at 8?
Who though?
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There must be a proper keeper in County cricket that's a suitable age?!
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Another mistake from Bairstow, tougher chance than Amla's drop though.

Here's a thought, we have a very strong tail now so is there an argument for picking a 'genuine' keeper at 8?
Oddly, we are playing enough all rounders that we probably can afford a keeper who can bat rather than a batsman who can('t) keep, especially if we're keeping hold of Woakes (although he's the guy to make way for Jimmy). Given that Bairstow got rather useful runs though, how can you drop him for Buttler this tour, who's not got runs and isn't much better keeping? Ought to be clearer end of the tour but if Jonny is getting runs then he's still in the picture as a specialist batsman.
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