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Old 29th December 2015, 17:26   #121
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There must be a proper keeper in County cricket that's a suitable age?!
Michael Bates (25) of Somerset seems to be viewed by sage keeping judges as the most accomplished gloveman in the land. Unfortunately, his opportunities have been limited due to an inferior ability with the willow - he lost his place at Hants due to the more prodigious batting potential of Adam Wheater.

Ben Brown of Sussex and Middx's John Simpson have impressed me whenever I've seen them and both have gained something of a rep re rearguard batting displays.

Ben Foakes was highly regarded at Essex but, since his move to keeper-rich Surrey, he's not always donned the gauntlets.
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Old 29th December 2015, 17:35   #122
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Michael Bates (25) of Somerset seems to be viewed by sage keeping judges as the most accomplished gloveman in the land. Unfortunately, his opportunities have been limited due to an inferior ability with the willow - he lost his place at Hants due to the more prodigious batting potential of Adam Wheater.

Ben Brown of Sussex and Middx's John Simpson have impressed me whenever I've seen them and both have gained something of a rep re rearguard batting displays.

Ben Foakes was highly regarded at Essex but, since his move to keeper-rich Surrey, he's not always donned the gauntlets.
Often the worse a keeper's batting the more his keeping is eulogised.

Foakes of course spent most of his time playing as a batsman at Essex and only rarely donned the gloves before moving to 4 keeper Surrey in order to get more chances with the gloves.
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Old 29th December 2015, 17:42   #123
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5 keeper Surrey. Surely Foakes will get the gloves next year over Wilson.
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Old 29th December 2015, 17:51   #124
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5 keeper Surrey. Surely Foakes will get the gloves next year over Wilson.
They didn't become 5 keeper Surrey until after he joined.

Personally I think England need to find ways of playing more keepers. Can we convert Root and play Bairstow as a specialist batsman?
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Old 29th December 2015, 18:02   #125
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Andy Hodd is probably the best gloveman, plus plays for Yorkshire which should keep everyone happy. Ben Brown is turning into a very good cricketer, and both his names begin with a B.
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Old 29th December 2015, 18:32   #126
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Oddly, we are playing enough all rounders that we probably can afford a keeper who can bat rather than a batsman who can('t) keep, especially if we're keeping hold of Woakes (although he's the guy to make way for Jimmy). Given that Bairstow got rather useful runs though, how can you drop him for Buttler this tour, who's not got runs and isn't much better keeping? Ought to be clearer end of the tour but if Jonny is getting runs then he's still in the picture as a specialist batsman.
Bairstow should arguably be in the line up as a batsman, would mean a promotion for Root or Taylor though at someone's expense.

I doubt he'll lose the keeping duties this tour. Would take some consistently glaring errors over a number of games.
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Old 29th December 2015, 19:06   #127
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Bairstow should arguably be in the line up as a batsman, would mean a promotion for Root or Taylor though at someone's expense.

I doubt he'll lose the keeping duties this tour. Would take some consistently glaring errors over a number of games.
I'm sure that's within his capabilities!
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Old 29th December 2015, 19:15   #128
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Bairstow should arguably be in the line up as a batsman, would mean a promotion for Root or Taylor though at someone's expense.

I doubt he'll lose the keeping duties this tour. Would take some consistently glaring errors over a number of games.
He missed that stumping off Rashid, the drop off Amla and the one today. Three very poor misses in four innings with the gloves. I am not sure how many more we need to see. We must all remember the ODI drop in the summer when it was a regulation edge he didn't need to move for!
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Old 30th December 2015, 00:36   #130
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He missed that stumping off Rashid, the drop off Amla and the one today. Three very poor misses in four innings with the gloves. I am not sure how many more we need to see. We must all remember the ODI drop in the summer when it was a regulation edge he didn't need to move for!
Today's wasn't a very poor miss. I agree that more mistakes are potentially on the way though.

We all know you're very biased towards 'your guys' but you knew your keeping in the past. What happened?
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Stumpings 2015
(last 3 years in brackets 2013-2015)

10 - Pakistan (20)
8 - Sri Lanka (13)
6 - West Indies (9), India (13)
3 - New Zealand (5), South Africa (5)
2 - Australia (6)
1 - Bangladesh (3)
0 - England (Zimbabwe (2)

The Asian countries would have lots more because they play more spin.
Prior had 7 stumpings in 2012.
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Old 31st December 2015, 11:39   #132
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He missed that stumping off Rashid, the drop off Amla and the one today. Three very poor misses in four innings with the gloves. I am not sure how many more we need to see. We must all remember the ODI drop in the summer when it was a regulation edge he didn't need to move for!
Such things didn't prevent Prior keeping the gloves for a long time.

Bairstow, though, is a much better batsman than Prior ever was.
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Bairstow, though, is a much better batsman than Prior ever was.
This would be a more convincing argument if Bairstow had several test match hundreds to his name.

In 2011, for example, Prior averaged 64 with the bat and scored three test match hundreds.
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I think D/L's dislike of Prior was his opening gambit on this board so I wouldn't bother.
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Such things didn't prevent Prior keeping the gloves for a long time.

Bairstow, though, is a much better batsman than Prior ever was.
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This would be a more convincing argument if Bairstow had several test match hundreds to his name.

In 2011, for example, Prior averaged 64 with the bat and scored three test match hundreds.
That would be a more convincing argument had Bairstow had the same number of opportunities.

Bairstow's record in last year's CC division 1 suggests a level of batting talent never demonstrated by Prior in the years before his call up to test match cricket.
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I think D/L's dislike of Prior was his opening gambit on this board so I wouldn't bother.
If so, very flattered you would remember such a thing.

Typically difficult to see its relevance to the topic, though.
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That would be a more convincing argument had Bairstow had the same number of opportunities.

Bairstow's record in last year's CC division 1 suggests a level of batting talent never demonstrated by Prior in the years before his call up to test match cricket.
In 2011 Prior had 10 test match innings for his 3 hundreds.

This year Bairstow has had 12 test match innings for 0 hundreds.

He's had opportunities but just hasn't taken them. He's now batted 36 times for England in tests, that's way more than say Ravi Bopara (19 innings, 3 test hundreds).

It only took your beloved Broad 39 completed test innings to record a hundred. Bairstow better get a move on....
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Strange apparent belief that the number of centuries he has may be the best yardstick of a middle order batsman's ability with no apparent regard for match situations.

All rather superficial.

Any road up, in terms of scores alone, in a long enough career, any batsman will have a purple patch
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Strange apparent belief that the number of centuries he has may be the best yardstick of a middle order batsman's ability with no apparent regard for match situations.

All rather superficial.

Any road up, in terms of scores alone, in a long enough career, any batsman will have a purple patch
Shame Bairstow's purple patch was just in county cricket and not when he was recalled to the test arena then.

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http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engin...ch/569245.html?
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After 21 Test matches Bairstow has 6 fifties at an average of 28, Prior had 2 hundreds and 10 fifties at an average of 46 and 300 more runs, including rearguard innings against Murali and co in Sri Lanka.
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