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Old 6th November 2015, 13:18   #81
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Actually, as a sweeping home vs away comparison, all the South African batsmen tend to have a better away average. Comfort zones may be a different way of looking at it.
This is why the greatest averages about 10 more in SA than the rest.
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Old 6th November 2015, 13:47   #82
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Worst looking line-up SA has had for some time. Their batting looks fragile with an unproven, though experienced keeper coming in at six.
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Worst looking line-up SA has had for some time. Their batting looks fragile with an unproven, though experienced keeper coming in at six.
Philander coming in at 7 says it all since he is a no.8 at best. Duminy seems essential to balance the side.
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Old 6th November 2015, 18:45   #84
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This is why the greatest averages about 10 more in SA than the rest.
Bradman averaged 200 against SA, but only played them at home.
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Old 6th November 2015, 19:02   #85
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FAF is a decent enough player but yes, the SA side relies on its two world class batsmen and two world class bowlers. Not many sides in world cricket have any batting strength in depth at the moment though, do they? India might be the only one, in fact and only in the right conditions and its bowling attack is even more situational. This probably is that situation, mind.
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And one of their openers is incredibly hit or miss. Just got a pair in a home Test!
The problem with the Indian batsmen is...India don't play enough of them! Kohli and Shastri are hell bent on playing 5 bowlers every game.

At least the four best batsmen are in there now (Vijay, Rahane, Kohli and Pujara). For the fifth, you can make a case for and against each of Sharma, Dhawan and Rahul.
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The problem with the Indian batsmen is...India don't play enough of them! Kohli and Shastri are hell bent on playing 5 bowlers every game.

At least the four best batsmen are in there now (Vijay, Rahane, Kohli and Pujara). For the fifth, you can make a case for and against each of Sharma, Dhawan and Rahul.
Interesting factoid -

Only the two quicks, the keeper and Ashwin have lower first class top scores than Kohli. In fact Mishra and all the other batsmen have hit double centuries whereas VK's best is 197.
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This must be an absolute bunsen
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Big vern opening. We though moeen was pushing it!
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Old 7th November 2015, 08:38   #89
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This must be an absolute bunsen
Last 11 wickets in the match have fallen for 58 runs. One of the most gifted batsmen to ever play the sport is still at the crease though so you can't rule SA out just yet.
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Last 11 wickets in the match have fallen for 58 runs. One of the most gifted batsmen to ever play the sport is still at the crease though so you can't rule SA out just yet.
Can now.
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Although the pitch undoubtedly turned, I don't think it was unplayable. What was noticeable is that neither side played with more than 5 genuine batsmen. Added to that SA have a couple of rookies with both bat and ball. I thought there was some rank poor batting in the match, particularly thinking of Du Plessis.
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Thought England were inept on a turning wicket but that was a shocker!
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Although the pitch undoubtedly turned, I don't think it was unplayable. What was noticeable is that neither side played with more than 5 genuine batsmen. Added to that SA have a couple of rookies with both bat and ball. I thought there was some rank poor batting in the match, particularly thinking of Du Plessis.
SA were effectively missing Steyn, Morkel and Duminy for a large part of this match - they will be much stronger for their return.

India will probably go in with five bowlers again. If its a pitch like this again at Bangalore, I would play the XI below. Overall though the Indian batsmen's continual struggles against spin are pretty disappointing.

Vijay
Dhawan
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Sharma (or Rahul)
Saha
Ashwin
Jadeja
Mishra (Yadav if the pitch isn't overly spin friendly - the Bangalore pitch usually isn't but then Mohali isn't normally such a spin paradise either)
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-...ry/938135.html

Good to see Kohli publicly acknowledge the Indian team has a problem in playing spin bowling. These guys are all pretty talented players so no reason to think they can't find a solution - but first step is to acknowledge a problem exists.
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SA were effectively missing Steyn, Morkel and Duminy for a large part of this match - they will be much stronger for their return.

India will probably go in with five bowlers again. If its a pitch like this again at Bangalore, I would play the XI below. Overall though the Indian batsmen's continual struggles against spin are pretty disappointing.

Vijay
Dhawan
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Sharma (or Rahul)
Saha
Ashwin
Jadeja
Mishra (Yadav if the pitch isn't overly spin friendly - the Bangalore pitch usually isn't but then Mohali isn't normally such a spin paradise either)
Ishant
I really am not a big fan of Rohit Sharma because I think he just has one good inning (if any) for an entire series. The fact that Rohit hasn't really been able to cement his place in the side despite being around since 2008 or so and being so talented is down to his inconsistency.

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Good to see Kohli publicly acknowledge the Indian team has a problem in playing spin bowling. These guys are all pretty talented players so no reason to think they can't find a solution - but first step is to acknowledge a problem exists.
This was indeed a refreshing change from normal.
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Good to see Kohli publicly acknowledge the Indian team has a problem in playing spin bowling. These guys are all pretty talented players so no reason to think they can't find a solution - but first step is to acknowledge a problem exists.
It could have been worse if South Africa hadn't bowled so badly on the 2nd evening. They should never have been allowed to get to 161-2. by the time their spinners got it together it was too late.
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Worst looking line-up SA has had for some time. Their batting looks fragile with an unproven, though experienced keeper coming in at six.
Undoubtedly a difficult challenge for South Africa to claw this series back from here, however they do for one reason or another have a frustrating habit of making haphazard starts to Test match series, particularly with the bat.

What we are now seeing for the first time is exactly what the post Graeme Smith era might entail for South Africa. Under Smith you'd usually expect a response so it will be interesting to see what kind of South Africa we'll see in the next Test. Clearly Amla has inherited a team somewhat in a transitional phase, with many positions hardly locked in. The jury is out on both openers and you do have to feel for van Zyl whose been placed in a somewhat alien position due to a lack of opportunities. Amla being in slightly iffy form doesn't help matters considering he's probably South Africa's best player sub continental conditions, which ultimately thrusts the pressure all onto AB de Villiers. The Villas selection to me hints a little bit of selecting the likes of Zander de Bruyn during a similar phase several years back.

The balance we know was dodgy in Mohali but Duminy returning should rectify that. In terms bowling I do have a slight incline that Steyn is now on the decline, not so much that he's anywhere near finished just that the magic spells are becoming less regular and the consistency not what it once was. I might even argue that Morkel in recent Test series has been but the better bowler. On a positive note however Philander looked nearer to peak in Mohali and Rabada appears an exciting prospect.

Anyhow interesting times ahead.
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