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Old 10th November 2015, 22:56   #101
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Also Steyn has a habit of getting injured during tests, leaving his team a bower short. If he got injured in between it wouldn't be as bad.
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Old 11th November 2015, 10:31   #102
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What evens things though is the fact that we have an Indian team whose batsmen aren't as comfortable playing at home as some of their predecessors were. They lack the patience and skill to tackle spinners, especially, and might gift their wickets if the opposition were to just dry up runs. All isn't lost yet for South Africa.
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Old 13th November 2015, 07:22   #103
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What evens things though is the fact that we have an Indian team whose batsmen aren't as comfortable playing at home as some of their predecessors were. They lack the patience and skill to tackle spinners, especially, and might gift their wickets if the opposition were to just dry up runs. All isn't lost yet for South Africa.
Yes - saw a sobering stat on Cricinfo the other day - India averaged 45 against spin between 1990 and 2011 (the best of all teams - ahead of Aus and comfortably ahead of the others), but that has declined to 34 since 2012 - only England have been worse in that period.

Anyway, second game starts tomorrow. Apparently wicket was green a couple of days ago - but I'd be shocked if there is a fleck of grass when the coin is flipped More significantly, it might be overcast in Bangalore - but Philander is out of the series and Steyn's availability is not certain. I'd still back Morkel and Rabada to win any pace "bowl-off" against India's horrid bunch though.
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Old 13th November 2015, 07:58   #104
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Philander ruled out for the next eight weeks after injuring his ankle playing football during practice before this test.
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It has been raining in Bangalore for the last 4-5 days and it is very gloomy even today. If this continues tomorrow, we might see some movement through the air. The Bangalore pitch has been quite sporty for the Ranji trophy matches, with Karnataka having a goodish number of faster bowlers (read medium pace), but I doubt if that would be the pitch that'd be used for the test.
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Yes - saw a sobering stat on Cricinfo the other day - India averaged 45 against spin between 1990 and 2011 (the best of all teams - ahead of Aus and comfortably ahead of the others), but that has declined to 34 since 2012 - only England have been worse in that period.

Anyway, second game starts tomorrow. Apparently wicket was green a couple of days ago - but I'd be shocked if there is a fleck of grass when the coin is flipped More significantly, it might be overcast in Bangalore - but Philander is out of the series and Steyn's availability is not certain. I'd still back Morkel and Rabada to win any pace "bowl-off" against India's horrid bunch though.
Steyn's out. It's a shame about Philander as he was looking to be getting back to form and he's quite useful in these conditions, similar to Pollock. Radaba and Morkel are more than decent but might not be as effective in these conditions. With Duminy back, it'll be interesting to see which spinner sits out, but it does bring more balance to the batting where SA really suffered.
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Old 13th November 2015, 21:31   #107
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No doubt Steyn and Philander will be missed - two world class bowlers. However, I suspect an attack of Morkel, Rabada, Abbott, Harmer and Tahir will have enough for the brittle Indian batting line-up. Then its a question of the SA batting doing better than at Mohali - Amla and du Plessis have to step up as even de Villiers can't do everything by himself.
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No doubt Steyn and Philander will be missed - two world class bowlers. However, I suspect an attack of Morkel, Rabada, Abbott, Harmer and Tahir will have enough for the brittle Indian batting line-up. Then its a question of the SA batting doing better than at Mohali - Amla and du Plessis have to step up as even de Villiers can't do everything by himself.
I believe one of the spinners will make way for Duminy. Otherwise you'd have those 3 plus the new spin king, Elgar.
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There's a fair bit of rain forecast so could be a rather shortened match. I don't get a good feeling about SA getting back into the series after performances in the first test and especially the injuries but then India doesn't have all that secure a batting line up either so I'm prepared to be surprised.
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Yes - saw a sobering stat on Cricinfo the other day - India averaged 45 against spin between 1990 and 2011 (the best of all teams - ahead of Aus and comfortably ahead of the others), but that has declined to 34 since 2012 - only England have been worse in that period.

Anyway, second game starts tomorrow. Apparently wicket was green a couple of days ago - but I'd be shocked if there is a fleck of grass when the coin is flipped More significantly, it might be overcast in Bangalore - but Philander is out of the series and Steyn's availability is not certain. I'd still back Morkel and Rabada to win any pace "bowl-off" against India's horrid bunch though.
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I believe one of the spinners will make way for Duminy. Otherwise you'd have those 3 plus the new spin king, Elgar.
But of course - I need to pay more attention! And indeed Harmer was dropped for Duminy.

India chose to field and I think will be happy with the start so far - SA are 78/3 at lunch with Amla and du Plessis failing again. The king is still there however and will want to do something special in his 100th Test, that too on his "Indian home" ground.
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de Villiers looking in sublime touch - wonder if India are regretting dropping Mishra, who took AB out twice in the first game, for Binny. Binny offers the illusion of "balancing" the team but in reality he has a lower Test batting average than Mishra and has picked 3 wickets in 7 Tests.
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de Villiers looking in sublime touch - wonder if India are regretting dropping Mishra, who took AB out twice in the first game, for Binny. Binny offers the illusion of "balancing" the team but in reality he has a lower Test batting average than Mishra and has picked 3 wickets in 7 Tests.
Well, the other batsmen are being a little more obliging. Doesn't look like the rain shortening the match will be an issue.

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Did ABdV actually glove that. Another good innings from him ends before it becomes a great one.
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This has been disappointing from SA. I know that they have a few guys who are new to test cricket in Asia, but when the more experienced players like Amla and Du Plessis are far out of touch they look utterly boned. The redeeming feature for them might be that India may continue to struggle against spin.
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I was a little surprised they managed more than 150 given the way they were going. But still disappointing how many wickets were given away, even the 2 at the end were necessary, tail or not.

Hope the fast bowlers are up for it.
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This has been disappointing from SA. I know that they have a few guys who are new to test cricket in Asia, but when the more experienced players like Amla and Du Plessis are far out of touch they look utterly boned. The redeeming feature for them might be that India may continue to struggle against spin.
India will struggle against spin, and in these overcast conditions, against pace too - so SA still well in it if they bowl well.
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Did ABdV actually glove that. Another good innings from him ends before it becomes a great one.
I guess if you were being really picky, the one slight weakness in his record you might say is the no. of Test hundreds. 21 after 100 Tests would be brilliant for most players but maybe you'd expect a few more from a batsman of his class.

But then again difficult to score so heavily when you've got Amla, Kallis, Smith etc. racking up the hundreds before you even get a chance to take guard...
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The South African bowling has been a bit gash so far and they've been reluctant to call in the spinners early despite this. I think they should have changed it up earlier. To be fair though they've brought on Duminy just now and he's bowled tosh too.

This has now been compounded by a very easy catch having been dropped by Tahir off the bowling of Morkel. Vijay living a charmed life.
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The South African bowling has been a bit gash so far and they've been reluctant to call in the spinners early despite this. I think they should have changed it up earlier. To be fair though they've brought on Duminy just now and he's bowled tosh too.

This has now been compounded by a very easy catch having been dropped by Tahir off the bowling of Morkel. Vijay living a charmed life.
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