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Old 8th November 2015, 10:11   #21
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A chance of showers on day 5. Would be a great escape for the Kiwis to get out of this one. Good batting pitch, but they will probably still need to replace the haka for the rain dance.
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Old 8th November 2015, 11:42   #22
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A chance of showers on day 5. Would be a great escape for the Kiwis to get out of this one. Good batting pitch, but they will probably still need to replace the haka for the rain dance.
Hope not, Australia have totally outplayed NZ, it would a real injustice not to be able to force the win.

Burns and Warner have been superb,and well backed up by Khwaja.
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Old 8th November 2015, 21:50   #23
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Williamson unlucky to be given out. Suppose the umpire was a former spin bowler.
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Old 9th November 2015, 04:49   #24
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Williamson unlucky to be given out. Suppose the umpire was a former spin bowler.
The McCullum one probably more so. A clear Umpiring error (it happens).

It could be said that he wasted reviews, though not so sure about that. The lbw reviewed shortly before this was shown by hawkeye to be taking the top of leg stump. Given the allotted margin of error for hawkeye, that means in reality it could have just shaved top/outside of leg stump, or hit middle and leg. Not an unreasonable review, yet no review left when caught off the pads.

That's if the margin of error being used is realistic, which is doubtful IMO (never been scientifically demonstrated as far as I know), especially for balls swinging or spinning towards leg, with predicted height also being a bit iffy at times.

Wouldn't mind if they got rid of the "predictive" part of hawkeye altogether. The claims that "predictive" technology increases correct lbw results seems a bit unlikely. Won't happen though and that's for another thread. It wouldn't have mattered to the overall result.

On to the WACA.
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Old 9th November 2015, 09:01   #25
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A comprehensive win for Oz, with lots of positives flowing on from the retirement of so many key players. Hard to see any weaknesses apart from the long term future of Voges.
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......... as long as there's no swing or seam movement. In which case they're all suspect. Play NZ on a cloudy day in Dunedin and see what happens, or England at Trent Bridge.
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Old 9th November 2015, 10:36   #27
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A comprehensive win for Oz, with lots of positives flowing on from the retirement of so many key players. Hard to see any weaknesses apart from the long term future of Voges.
No weaknesses? So how impressive are England that beat them?
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Old 9th November 2015, 14:18   #28
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......... as long as there's no swing or seam movement. In which case they're all suspect. Play NZ on a cloudy day in Dunedin and see what happens, or England at Trent Bridge.
Or in the sub-continent
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I think more accurately it could be said that Australia has a strong side at home, like most of the better nations. Everyone is suspect away though, even the excellent South Africans.
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I think more accurately it could be said that Australia has a strong side at home, like most of the better nations. Everyone is suspect away though, even the excellent South Africans.
I rather think we are judging the South Africans a bit too much in terms of whom they've had recently without thinking about the impact of the loss of Greg "DI" Smith and dare I say it Kallis. Up to a point it is almost like thinking about the Australian team of 2008 who had had a couple successful series with some folk thinking prematurely that they'd maintained their dominance before losing rather comfortably to India later that year.
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Old 10th November 2015, 03:52   #31
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I think more accurately it could be said that Australia has a strong side at home, like most of the better nations. Everyone is suspect away though, even the excellent South Africans.
In fairness I thought the original point was alluding to Aus in these conditions. They are strong at home and probably a bit stronger away in Seth Efrica, for obvious reasons.

When it swings or seams "abandon all hope, ye who enter here" sums up our batsmen making their way to the middle. With exception of Warner who is much underrated in such conditions (improved vastly in spinning conditions also when he doesn't go the slog). Though generally when it spins failure is assured and never in doubt, with the possible exception of Smiffy.

Our fast bowlers also start spraying them everywhere when it swings, as the recent ashes tour highlighted. Though we have a reasonably good spinner, yet sadly he doesn't like slow pitches that don't have much bounce...

Our fielding is also only a shadow of what it once was...

Apart from that it's all good though.
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Old 10th November 2015, 04:57   #32
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......... as long as there's no swing or seam movement. In which case they're all suspect. Play NZ on a cloudy day in Dunedin and see what happens, or England at Trent Bridge.
That's a fair enough observation.

NZ's last win against us on a useful Bellerive pitch, below. Looks like they learned from that, no way the recent 'Gabba pitch was going to help bowlers.

Our chase fell 8 runs short with Warner unbeaten on 123* of the required 241. A series also notable for Hughes being "caught Guptill bowled Martin" in the same way in every innings for not many, which saw him sent to the wilderness again. Overall our batting now is probably worse, interesting that recent hero Khawaja also played in this one.

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Old 10th November 2015, 08:24   #33
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I rather think we are judging the South Africans a bit too much in terms of whom they've had recently without thinking about the impact of the loss of Greg "DI" Smith and dare I say it Kallis. Up to a point it is almost like thinking about the Australian team of 2008 who had had a couple successful series with some folk thinking prematurely that they'd maintained their dominance before losing rather comfortably to India later that year.
They're not as good as when they killed England in England in 2012 (in a scandalously short three test series), no. Amla hasn't been playing nearly as well as he was back then either, so arguably they're functioning with three fewer top class batsmen than then. Will be interesting to see how they do second test against India but you have to feel that it will be another Bunsen and that the SA spinners have probably had their one test of effectiveness already for the series.
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Old 10th November 2015, 14:30   #34
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Hey lads, long time no chat.

First of all is how good is it to watch Aussie cricket without M.Clarke and S.Watson?
Ive been whinging about Clarke for years that he was the weakest link and didnt deserve his spot, not to mention he lost the boys years ago, on your bike Clarkie.
Watson was a complete joke most of his career, two blokes that could never be depended when the going got tough, especially in their last few years.

Its SO GOOD we dont have to carry those clowns any more are we can now start building a team where everybody pulls their weight, theres only good to come for us with SS at the helm, hes going to make a great captain imo and clearly has created a fresh and healthy energy in the team.

Full credit to Williamson, Reminds me a bit of Mark Waugh for some reason, lovely wrists and timing, looks effortless at times.

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Old 10th November 2015, 14:39   #35
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No weaknesses? So how impressive are England that beat them?
I thought the English team that beat us were good and they proved it, they rose to the occasion, you deserved the series, no doubt about it so no excuses.

But i'll give you a few anyway lol, i will say you got us at the end of a period where there was lots of negative energy from everybody knowing there were 2 guys in the team who wernt pulling their weight, there was dramas between the coach and the captain, clarke was on the nose with everybody, there was tension between SS and Clarke, and all sorts of negative dynamics.

Its great to see a new era of Aussie cricket
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Old 10th November 2015, 19:58   #36
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I thought the English team that beat us were good and they proved it, they rose to the occasion, you deserved the series, no doubt about it so no excuses.

But i'll give you a few anyway lol, i will say you got us at the end of a period where there was lots of negative energy from everybody knowing there were 2 guys in the team who wernt pulling their weight, there was dramas between the coach and the captain, clarke was on the nose with everybody, there was tension between SS and Clarke, and all sorts of negative dynamics.

Its great to see a new era of Aussie cricket
Slop isn't an England fan I'm afraid
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Yeah, Clarke and Watson clearly to blame for this effort.


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Old 11th November 2015, 07:23   #39
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Yeah, Clarke and Watson clearly to blame for this effort.


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So i gather youd like to have them back Don ? lol
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So i gather youd like to have them back Don ? lol
No, not at all.

They weren't the reason why we lost the ashes though. As to Clarke/Smith...if Ponting showed us anything, it was that the effects of Captaincy can be overrated. He wasn't very good at it...

The single biggest contributing factor (apart from the opposition players) would be the retirement of one particular bowler.

Also.....

Our batsmen, including our new Captain, showed they were technically and mentally deficient flat track bullies (with possible exception of our openers...a t20 hero and a 38 yr old journeyman).

Our bowling (sans Rhino) has been unbalanced and is way overrated. Johnson can be great on his day. Starc isn't good enough to be a test bowler. Hazlewood has been disappointing so far. Our best bowling all series by far was from a 130kph Siddle, overlooked nearly all series because he is considered to be at the wrong end of his career.

Lyon is probably the best spinner we have, but bowls more like a good part timer. Our best young fast bowling prospects are perpetually injured.

Our fielding is inconsistent and varied between adequate/club level.

Combine that with England playing well at times in their own conditions (especially Broad) and that's why we lost.

It remains to be seen whether Smith will lead a team that is any better. That seems very unlikely. Our next trip to India/UAE should sort that notion out.
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