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Old 14th November 2015, 01:08   #61
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Outstanding performance, Warner and Khwaja are just run machines at the moment. As is KP.
Khwaja having the umpire on side helped.
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Old 14th November 2015, 02:18   #62
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Don't worry about losing the Ashes boys we'll prepare flat roads for you here with every 50/50 decision going your way.
Aussie pitches are usually flat, including (and especially in recent years) the WACA. India beat us on a slow, flat WACA pitch like this some years back. It's entertaining listening to the bleating about Umpiring decisions though.

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And Aussies have the temerity to complain about the pitches in England or NZ not suiting them because there is too much seam and swing for their flat track bully batsmen to handle.
Unlike yourself of course, not a hint of whinging there. Home teams can prepare pitches any way they like. Crap or otherwise.

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Every pitch in Australia is as flat as the Nullabor these days, got to ensure the tests last 5 days and maximise revenue for CA.

Who cares if it makes test cricket as boring as batshit, how good is Warner?
Warner is good, can score anywhere.

How crap have the Kiwi's been so far though?

It will be interesting when they bat on this "road", surely the Kiwi's will just pile on the runs and it will be a draw. Considering our attack is not terribly good either (Johnson is on the decline, the other two are just ordinary). Will there be a conspiracy amongst the Umpires lol?

Wonder why they failed on the batting paradise at the 'Gabba?

I doubt the Kiwi's will beat us anywhere. As was obvious in the WC final, they usually just go to water on the bigger occasions when they play their more accomplished big brothers. We would need to have a genuine shocker for this NZ team to have any chance. This is "business as usual".

I thought Aus were crap (and still do) but the Kiwis certainly put that appraisal into perspective and give new meaning to the word. Surely the Windies will make a better game of it when they get here.
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Old 14th November 2015, 02:34   #63
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I'm aware that Starc has never really come to the party in test matches, and I note that you point out that the likes of Cummins and Pattinson are on the treatment table too often but he's still a serious talent. It is almost like the Michael Bevan situation but for bowling. I guess the main difference apart form that is that there was always a stack load of high class batsmen playing at the time in Bevan's era and not injured.
Starc seems the opposite of Bevan (situation wise). Bevan was genuinely unlucky, while Starc has been very lucky with certain retirements and injuries to other bowlers.

Hope the coach and selectors are being honest with him. Spraying them and regularly going at 4-5 an over isn't going to get a permanent possie in many attacks. Unless you can also have those magical "6 for 40" days. Throwing the ball to Johnson in the hope of stemming the runs, which has been happening with this attack, is never a good plan and it's difficult to think of any time this particular attack has been able to sustain pressure on a batting side. Starc is showing more and more that he might be a limited overs specialist and no more.

Also goes on like a mug at times. Having a ping at the stumps is fine if there's a sniff of the batsmen being out of his crease. If it intimidates him in the process, all the better. No reason to ever deliberately throw the ball at the batsmen though. Only mugs do that. If he is frustrated with tail enders hitting him all over the place, stop serving pies would be a better remedy.

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Old 14th November 2015, 07:17   #64
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Hmm...I think there's no doubt Starc still has to improve his control further - I don't think he'll last too long in the Aus setup otherwise especially with a good crop of young (if injury prone) fast bowlers. But if he can do that, he will become a very dangerous bowler because he already takes wickets regularly (indeed an average of 31 would have him amongst India's all time great fast bowlers - he was born in the wrong country ).

He does seem like a tool though, no debate there.
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Old 14th November 2015, 07:39   #65
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Aus pick up their first wicket in the 3rd over...NZ took 1 wicket in their first 85 overs.
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Old 14th November 2015, 10:56   #66
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Cracking fightback today from New Zealand considering. How disappointing has Josh Hazlewood been?
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Old 14th November 2015, 15:46   #67
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Cracking fightback today from New Zealand considering. How disappointing has Josh Hazlewood been?
Since the start of the Ashes? Fairly to very disappointing, with the odd performance to remind you why he was so highly regarded before. He's only young and may well end up very successful but he's been poor far too often.

Meanwhile Kane Williamson is averaging over 100 this year.
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Old 15th November 2015, 00:31   #68
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Very good pitch. the toss is very important as the side batting second is under massive scoreboard pressure.
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A cracking response from NZ who thus far have only lost a wicket in the day's play and are 413-3 in the final session of the day. There is still a heck of a lot of cricket to be played and there may be an opportunity for a result if the teams show signs of fatigue.

Mitchell Starc has apparently bowled a delivery of just north of 160kph, around 99mph in old money. However he's still been a bit inconsistent. It doesn't seem the normal bouncy WACA.
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McCullum goes to Marsh so it's an interesting match state, certainly as long as the Kiwis don't bat on and on, which seems unlikely with their tail even if they wanted to. I've managed to position myself into small wins whatever happens but just backed Australia at 5.8 before the wicket fell so that's my preferred outcome. With the Kiwi tail and the need to chase even a testing 4th innings target plus how attacking the teams are, I think a result is quite likely. It's only a draw if the Kiwis bat on a fair way and Australia bats well (missing a man) second innings and then either doesn't declare until very late or takes early wickets then sees the Kiwis successfully shut up shop.

Is a flat deck though.
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gave the commentators been talking about the pitch killing cricket as it is not a contest or is it okay because the ball bounced high?

Well done NZ. Brilliant with scoreboard pressure. It would be hilarious if NZ managed to win.
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Very flat wicket but the Kiwi's long tail probably gives the Aussies an advantage still. They will need to roll over the last 5 wickets tonight/early tomorrow.
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Oh and the quick scoring rate has meant that both sides have reached 500ish in 3 days, giving plenty of time to still force a result on days 4 and 5. In comparison, England were still batting on the final day in their first innings in Abu Dhabi which meant that even despite the remarkable Pakistan collapse, there was not enough time for force a win.
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Yeah I sort of still kind of fancy an Aussie victory, particularly if they can roll of the Kiwi tail for not much more than they have. However if NZ did get close or just past Australia there is still a remotish prospect of Australia imploding.
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Yeah I sort of still kind of fancy an Aussie victory, particularly if they can roll of the Kiwi tail for not much more than they have. However if NZ did get close or just past Australia there is still a remotish prospect of Australia imploding.
That's my view, although there are still 5 wickets left and Taylor there on a double ton, plus Khawaja is injured so if the Kiwi bowling lives up to pre series hype rather than down to performances so far, they're by no means out of it. In fact, I sort of suspect that the Kiwi win is more likely than Aus from here, as Australia are getting towards needing to be bowled out at just the right time to have the best chance of winning territory. Course they could rattle the tail, put on 350 and set 400 in a day and a few overs and win comfortably from there.
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Test highest score from Ross Taylor, getting plenty of love from Smithy in the comms box.
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Test highest score from Ross Taylor, getting plenty of love from Smithy in the comms box.
First Kiwi double ton against Australia.
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Steve Smith busy sulking - review for a catch behind, turned down. And rightly turned down - nothing remotely giving cause to overturn the decision.

So Smith goes to the umpire to complain that they got it wrong, claiming an infinitesimal bit of noise on snicko is conclusive evidence of an edge.

So much for accepting the umpire's decision.
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Remarkable performances by Taylor and Williamson, even though the wicket appears pretty flat. Johnson really got smashed, as did Lyon.

I think I read they are using a drop-in wicket at the Waca these days, which may partly explain the out of the ordinary first innings scores by both teams.
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