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Old 15th November 2015, 19:33   #81
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Remarkable performances by Taylor and Williamson, even though the wicket appears pretty flat. Johnson really got smashed, as did Lyon.

I think I read they are using a drop-in wicket at the Waca these days, which may partly explain the out of the ordinary first innings scores by both teams.
Explains why 2 edges failed to carry. Unheard of at the WACA previously.
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Old 16th November 2015, 01:37   #82
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The MCG and Adelaide are the only drop in wickets afaik. The WACA suffered some sort of disease in the early 00's from memory and underwent extensive repairs. Saddly it never recovered.

It hasn't been the WACA of old for the best part of 10yrs. More like another Adelaide. I can remember an interstate match in '07 that had tandem spinners on day 1. Also a war of words between Ponting and the curator when India beat us on a slowish good batting strip that same summer. Laxman also expressed disappointment, seems he was looking forward to a traditional WACA pitch.

The Kookaburras seem to be having a bit of a problem too.

It's great to see the Kiwis fight back and at least make an either way result possible.

Aussie pitches have always been good for batting but are now becoming ridiculous. Not good for bowlers and possibly part of the reason our young quicks are always injured?

Last 12 months 1st innings scores.

517/7 dec. (Adelaide).
505. ('Gabba).
530. (MCG).
572/7 dec. (SCG).
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559/9 dec. (WACA).
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Old 16th November 2015, 01:58   #83
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ps. reading up on it, the whole square was replaced in the '90s. Something to do with the clay content and so forth not being the same now. I do remember them having problems with some sort of disease for a while, remember Dennis Lillee discussing it.

Every test it gets built up, only to disappoint it seems. This one was supposed to be fast and bouncy too, according to the curator. The best chance for a result here, apart from a batting collapse for no particular reason, is if the cracks open up a bit.

Some articles from from all the way back to '06 explaining some of the problems with the pitch. It won't matter much, we'll be playing on a drop in a new stadium soon.

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The problem, according to the groundsman, Cameron Sutherland, is that supplies of the special alluvial soil, found in a Western Australian river bed, with which the Waca's pitches were once constructed, have long since run out and the soil that was substituted was unable to match the clay content. "More like 60%," Sutherland reckons, "compared to 80% before."
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That the Perth pitch is not the fast and bouncy strip it once was is well known. Mostly that is because the wicket square has gradually been replaced in recent years, with a different kind of soil to what was used originally.
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Old 16th November 2015, 05:31   #84
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What a knock by Ross Taylor, final man to fall for 290. A useful first innings lead of 65, but why have Australia take the field for only a single over prior to lunch? There ought to be the flexibility to delay the interval by half an hour to make the changeover more meaningful. Either that or take lunch ten minutes early and start the Aussie innings after the break. Cricket is sometimes too slavish to its rules and guidelines.
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Old 16th November 2015, 06:28   #85
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Great innings from Taylor (and Williamson...again). Also credit where it is due, the best Starc has ever bowled in a test match, one that has featured some very ordinary bowling on both sides. Lots of talk recently that MJ is considering retirement. It shows.

Could be an interesting couple of sessions for the Aussies.
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Old 16th November 2015, 07:49   #86
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Well done NZ. If they can just make a couple of breakthroughs now....

I have seen a tweet suggesting that not a single Australian went and shook Taylor's hand and offered congratulations as they walked off. If true that is pretty impressive. The highest ever score by an opponent in Oz and still not good enough for a well done. What fine spirit from the Aussies.

If Mitch retires then he will be remembered as a bowler who was incredible for about a year and a bit of a clown the rest of the time.
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Old 16th November 2015, 08:16   #87
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I have seen a tweet suggesting that not a single Australian went and shook Taylor's hand and offered congratulations as they walked off.
That's solid then.

Who cares?
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Old 16th November 2015, 08:44   #88
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That's solid then.

Who cares?
About the spirit of the game? Not Oz that is for sure.
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Old 16th November 2015, 09:37   #89
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Well done NZ. If they can just make a couple of breakthroughs now....

I have seen a tweet suggesting that not a single Australian went and shook Taylor's hand and offered congratulations as they walked off. If true that is pretty impressive. The highest ever score by an opponent in Oz and still not good enough for a well done. What fine spirit from the Aussies.

If Mitch retires then he will be remembered as a bowler who was incredible for about a year and a bit of a clown the rest of the time.
If it's a tweet it must be true, and even if it was, where is it written in the rules that you have to congratulate the opposition.

Thats total nonsense what you've written about Johnson, a player with 72 tests at an average of 28.10 and 153 ODIs at 25.26, you're just embarrassing yourself.
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About the spirit of the game? Not Oz that is for sure.

Such penchant for gossip must have you popular at tea parties Sir Virgs.

They did give him polite applause on his double century. More than enough congratulations. Perhaps they were glad to see the back of him and will congratulate him over a drink later on.

Either way, assuming there is anything to your ill intentioned scuttlebut, it's to be encouraged if it outrages the moral puritans.
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Old 16th November 2015, 09:51   #91
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Handshakes or no handshakes, this match seems to be heading towards a draw. Just too flat a surface. Then SV can start sticking the knife into one of his more recent strawmen again.
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Old 16th November 2015, 10:14   #92
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If it's a tweet it must be true, and even if it was, where is it written in the rules that you have to congratulate the opposition.

Thats total nonsense what you've written about Johnson, a player with 72 tests at an average of 28.10 and 153 ODIs at 25.26, you're just embarrassing yourself.
Slightly more than a tweet - the SMH Report is that it was carried on ABC coverage.

Whatever the rules say or don't say, it comes across as graceless.

Johnson is very much an enigma as a bowler - on his day he's a matchwinner (and there are very few of those around) - but when he's off, he can be a liability. Career stats don't show the full picture - as so often - and he's won at least one Ashes where the Aussie public were openly questioning why the selectors even picked him.
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Old 16th November 2015, 10:25   #93
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Slightly more than a tweet - the SMH Report is that it was carried on ABC coverage.

Whatever the rules say or don't say, it comes across as graceless.

Johnson is very much an enigma as a bowler - on his day he's a matchwinner (and there are very few of those around) - but when he's off, he can be a liability. Career stats don't show the full picture - as so often - and he's won at least one Ashes where the Aussie public were openly questioning why the selectors even picked him.
Thanks for the link. Love the Aussies - what a fine bunch.

Cabinboy - as I said. For a short period Mitch was amazing but for the majority he has been a figure of fun. I was lucky enough to be at edgbaston when he completely lost it with his run up going and bowling yards behind the stumps. For his hot period he was sensational but for the rest of the time he wasn't.

He might still do something in this match - it is Perth after all.

The don - I am not outraged, I just think it is funny that the Oz team turn the spirit of cricket on and off like a tap. Broad doesn't walk after a small edge to the keeper and he is front page news because against the spirit of cricket but someone has the temerity to score almost 300....
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Handshakes or no handshakes, this match seems to be heading towards a draw. Just too flat a surface. Then SV can start sticking the knife into one of his more recent strawmen again.
I don't have a problem with it as long as the comms say the pitch is killing cricket.
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If it's a tweet it must be true, and even if it was, where is it written in the rules that you have to congratulate the opposition.

Thats total nonsense what you've written about Johnson, a player with 72 tests at an average of 28.10 and 153 ODIs at 25.26, you're just embarrassing yourself.
Is his bowling average higher than Morgan's batting average? It might be a close run thing
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Cabinboy - as I said. For a short period Mitch was amazing but for the majority he has been a figure of fun.
Periods of it - yes, he's been woeful. But not the majority. And he's played quite a few useful innings as well.
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The don - I am not outraged, I just think it is funny that the Oz team turn the spirit of cricket on and off like a tap. Broad doesn't walk after a small edge to the keeper and he is front page news because against the spirit of cricket but someone has the temerity to score almost 300....
Apart from Boof (poor form on his part) it seemed almost exclusively English pundits that were unhappy with Broad, with one ex bowler openly calling him a cheat (like his old man, or words to that effect). I do believe I gave some links in another thread.

Although you might not believe it, but such poker faced cheek was admired by most Aussies. He did nothing wrong.

You are also making a mountain out of a molehill here. The series so far has been played in great spirits. It was nice to see the Captains sharing a joke and laugh when they were inspecting the pitch before play.
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The MCG and Adelaide are the only drop in wickets afaik. The WACA suffered some sort of disease in the early 00's from memory and underwent extensive repairs. Saddly it never recovered.

It hasn't been the WACA of old for the best part of 10yrs. More like another Adelaide. I can remember an interstate match in '07 that had tandem spinners on day 1. Also a war of words between Ponting and the curator when India beat us on a slowish good batting strip that same summer. Laxman also expressed disappointment, seems he was looking forward to a traditional WACA pitch.

The Kookaburras seem to be having a bit of a problem too.

It's great to see the Kiwis fight back and at least make an either way result possible.

Aussie pitches have always been good for batting but are now becoming ridiculous. Not good for bowlers and possibly part of the reason our young quicks are always injured?

Last 12 months 1st innings scores.

517/7 dec. (Adelaide).
505. ('Gabba).
530. (MCG).
572/7 dec. (SCG).
556/4 dec. ('Gabba).
559/9 dec. (WACA).
When I had a tour of the ground back in 2006, the groundsman said the problem was the clay being washed out of the square. The pitch is like an upturned saucer and the wicket is noticeably much higher when you stand on the boundary edge. I'm sure he said it used to be about 70% clay, but is now less than 50%. Something like that anyway.
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Periods of it - yes, he's been woeful. But not the majority. And he's played quite a few useful innings as well.
In his first 16 series he averaged under 30 only 6 times. He then went on a remarkable hot streak. When he is good he is very good but when he is bad....
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Apart from Boof (poor form on his part) it seemed almost exclusively English pundits that were unhappy with Broad, with one ex bowler openly calling him a cheat (like his old man, or words to that effect). I do believe I gave some links in another thread.

Although you might not believe it, but such poker faced cheek was admired by most Aussies. He did nothing wrong.

You are also making a mountain out of a molehill here. The series so far has been played in great spirits. It was nice to see the Captains sharing a joke and laugh when they were inspecting the pitch before play.
I don't think he did anything wrong. Umpire is there to make a decision and batsman get away with edges to the keeper all the time. Broad edged one to the keeper and stood his ground. No problem from me. The problem comes when teams go mad at the umpire.

Believe it or not i a tully supported the Aussies in the rugby final - they play hard but fair.
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