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Old 17th November 2015, 04:49   #121
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I like "Diggler" Nanes, although I admit I didn't hear this particular bit of commentary, so possible he went over the top but if his point was that it was rather boorish not to applaud a score of 290 then he probably wasn't far wrong.
They did applaud his double ton. Shown quite clearly and noticed by anyone who watched. They were busy congratulating our young sub fielder for his catch, ending the NZ innings, when Taylor strode off. They didn't drop everything and run 100mts or so to look good for the camera and do a bit of moral grandstanding. If they simply didn't give a rat's @rse, (while unlikely) that's fine too, they don't have to play to satisfy the feigned moral stance of others.

Our Aotearoan friends certainly seem to have no problem with it. They weren't even "sheepish" about it.

Once again, who cares? (No doubt you will understand nuance re the English language and the concept of what was originally a "rhetorical question")
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Old 17th November 2015, 04:51   #122
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Goodby Midge. A good decision.
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Old 17th November 2015, 04:55   #123
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Australia is looking a bit wobbly after two early wickets. NZ are waiting to take the new ball since they are getting some reverse with the old ball. With the lead only around 220, there is plenty of time left for NZ to push for the win. Or, maybe Mitch will find inspiration on his last day for Aus.
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Old 17th November 2015, 05:46   #124
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Unless the Aussies collapse (always possible) and the wickets start tumbling in the second session, this is obviously heading for the draw. Either way, an atrocious wicket. CA needs to look into this and also consider whether we should still be using the kookaburra. It seems like it is being replaced every other over.

Two big double centuries and four centuries and we are only half way through the third innings. Or 24 wickets for 1515 runs (with 4 or 5 of them being gifted by the Aussies). Average 63 runs per wicket. Absolute rubbish pitch.
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Old 17th November 2015, 06:04   #125
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I wasn't point scoring or anything, just found that a particularly enlightening post, particularly around the shape of the surface and how that meant clay was washed away.

I've seen that Grauniad article before.
Fair enough GBG. Sorry if I took it the wrong way.
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Old 17th November 2015, 07:07   #126
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A sporting declaration from Smith. Has given the Kiwi's a sniff. A brave declaration too with this attack that has rarely looked like troubling batsmen. Could backfire.
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Old 17th November 2015, 07:43   #127
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A sporting declaration from Smith. Has given the Kiwi's a sniff. A brave declaration too with this attack that has rarely looked like troubling batsmen. Could backfire.
Was about to say not that sporting and no chance they'll get there but then saw that Starc had gone for 17 in an over. Still don't think it's really on though.

I might have a small back of NZ at 60s hoping to lay back off at 20s if they have another couple of huge overs though.
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Old 17th November 2015, 07:53   #128
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Got 80s, not a shot played since and now after 240s with the rain.
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Old 17th November 2015, 07:59   #129
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How did the Aussie media report Swann retiring mid series? I assume it will be the same for Mitch. I will miss him. Whether he was spraying it around like Heath Davis or bowling with the accuracy of wasim you were sure it would be fun.

He had to go - he was spent in England and his poor bowling allowed us to dominate the ashes.

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If I was Smith I would have tried to bat the day out and wait for McCullum to concede the draw out of protest at the rubbish pitch.

Under normal circumstances I would agree Fatslogger (re the declaration). Yet on this pitch and with the Kiwis having an excellent ODI type batting unit that can score quickly (McCullum can be amazing), combined with their new image as bastions of all that is good with cricket...320 odd in about 48 overs? Seems gettable if they are willing to have a go, though raining now so that's it by the looks of it.
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Old 17th November 2015, 08:01   #131
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A sporting declaration from Smith. Has given the Kiwi's a sniff. A brave declaration too with this attack that has rarely looked like troubling batsmen. Could backfire.
I know Smith is the new golden boy but you can't be serious, surely?
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If I was Smith I would have tried to bat the day out and wait for McCullum to concede the draw out of protest at the rubbish pitch.

Under normal circumstances I would agree Fatslogger (re the declaration). Yet on this pitch and with the Kiwis having an excellent ODI type batting unit that can score quickly (McCullum can be amazing), combined with their new image as bastions of all that is good with cricket...320 odd in about 48 overs? Seems gettable if they are willing to have a go, though raining now so that's it by the looks of it.
Rain may be brief and is over the tea interval. Don't think that's what makes the chase impossible although of course, losing even a couple of overs when it's already stupidly steep might take it from implausible to impossible.

Don't really care how good a pitch is or how attacking a batting line up, going at 6s for over 300 in a test match day five chase isn't going to happen.
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I know Smith is the new golden boy but you can't be serious, surely?

Yes serious. We're one nil up. We don't need to win the match. We are no possibility of bowling them out in that many overs to claim the match, so why send them in? The chances then go from 0% chance of Kiwis getting up, to above 0% chance. I would have closed out the match and had them bowling all day if possible. Then there is no possibility of any heroic comeback.

Surely the Kiwi's will have a tilt at this, being the new ultra aggressive spiritus sancti of cricket who don't care about winning or losing, only about the manner in which the game is played?
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Old 17th November 2015, 08:22   #134
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Don't really care how good a pitch is or how attacking a batting line up, going at 6s for over 300 in a test match day five chase isn't going to happen.
In all probability. Certainly if they don't try.

A benign pitch (with a few cracks admittedly), an impotent attack. A chance to risk losing to go 1 all. A chance for the new aggressive style NZers to show that it is more than talk and at least start with the intention of being aggressive. Or block out a draw from the start of the innings lol.

Thought they might have at least started with McCullum. If he is still out there after 1/2 hr the required run rate would be looking quite different.

ps. England, with a much less accomplished batting line up (re an ODI style chase) against a far better attack, in much tougher conditions chanced their arm here and almost got there with 206 in 40 overs. It looked comfortable from the beginning and never really in doubt. We were all sad of course, when bad light halted play. The Kiwis have a bigger target, yet also more overs and great batting conditions, good light, against a rubbish attack. In reality, I think Smith might have sent them in to give Midge one last bowl.

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Old 17th November 2015, 08:46   #135
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In all probability. Certainly if they don't try.

A benign pitch (with a few cracks admittedly), an impotent attack. A chance to risk losing to go 1 all. A chance for the new aggressive style NZers to show that it is more than talk and at least start with the intention of being aggressive. Or block out a draw from the start of the innings lol.

Thought they might have at least started with McCullum. If he is still out there after 1/2 hr the required run rate would be looking quite different.

ps. England, with a much less accomplished batting line up (re an ODI style chase) against a far better attack, in much tougher conditions chanced their arm here and almost got there with 206 in 40 overs. It looked comfortable from the beginning and never really in doubt. We were all sad of course, when bad light halted play. The Kiwis have a bigger target, yet also more overs and great batting conditions, good light, against a rubbish attack. In reality, I think Smith might have sent them in to give Midge one last bowl.

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And if NZ got close then your captain would have slowed the overrate to run out of time. They would never have had all the overs. The pleading from Clarke at the oval was one of my highlights of his four consecutive ashes defeats in England.
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And if NZ got close then your captain would have slowed the overrate to run out of time. They would never have had all the overs. The pleading from Clarke at the oval was one of my highlights of his four consecutive ashes defeats in England.
Surely not Sir Virgs. We were all devastated when bad light halted play, including Clarke. He was simply pleading with the Umpires to finish out the match. Such a comment cuts to quick!

Less chance of "poor light" here that's for sure.
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Surely not Sir Virgs. We were all devastated when bad light halted play, including Clarke. He was simply pleading with the Umpires to finish out the match. Such a comment cuts to quick!

Less chance of "poor light" here that's for sure.
But they can just lose overs before last hour. It is very easy.

The best bit re Clarke that year is that all summer we had Warner saying how Clarke was the best captain as he was prepared to lose to win and then ran of crying.
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Being "prepared to lose, to win" doesn't mean you accept a loss if there is any other way. Clarke was actually in the right there.

It would have been a terrible double standard to continue that match. If I remember correctly the lost time due to both rain and the same light readings had already removed advantage when the Aussies were on top in other matches and are what put Clarke in the position where he needed to take such risks with batting and declaration to begin with.

ps. surely, once a light level/reading has been established re halting play this is what is used as benchmark for the series? You don't then simply ignore it on the fifth day of the fifth match to favour one team? Would have been a very unfair result. Clarke was responsible for inspiring some entertaining cricket at least, even though England had otherwise simply shut up shop from day 1.
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Being "prepared to lose, to win" doesn't mean you accept a loss if there is any other way. Clarke was actually in the right there.

It would have been a terrible double standard to continue that match. If I remember correctly the lost time due to both rain and the same light readings had already removed advantage when the Aussies were on top in other matches and are what put Clarke in the position where he needed to take such risks with batting and declaration to begin with.

ps. surely, once a light level/reading has been established re halting play this is what is used as benchmark for the series? You don't then simply ignore it on the fifth day of the fifth match to favour one team? Would have been a very unfair result.
Of course it would be unfair. But bowling 8 overs an hour is also pretty unfair isn't it?
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Of course it would be unfair. But bowling 8 overs an hour is also pretty unfair isn't it?
Possibly. That didn't happen though. They bowled 40 overs in 3 hours. Or a little over 13 overs per hour according the results.

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That's only just under what is considered ideal and when you consider UDRS reviews, far above what many teams manage in normal circumstances.
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