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Old 11th November 2015, 18:02   #101
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You mean he is England's Ishant Sharma?
If Woakes played 65 tests we'd be luck if he had 100 wickets, not 200!
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Old 11th November 2015, 18:07   #102
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The look on Rashid's face as another one of his long-hops disappears into the stands.
Almost as frustrated as when Hales misjudged the catch near deep midwicket.

He didn't look too pleased when the umpire thought ball hit pad before bat for that LBW shout either.

At least he was one spinner who presented a bit of a threat.

Seriously, though, the batsmen gave all our bowlers too much to do.
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Old 11th November 2015, 18:10   #103
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I'm beginning to see how Woakes could be worse than Ishant
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Old 11th November 2015, 18:15   #104
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Good innings by Hafeez.

Is Rashid ever going to be an effective ODI bowler?
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Old 11th November 2015, 18:20   #105
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How much longer until the powers that be accept that Rashid is not good enough?
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Old 11th November 2015, 18:21   #106
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So, the one England bowler with anything about him today doesn't bowl his full quota?! Kinda sums it up.
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Old 11th November 2015, 18:23   #107
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So, the one England bowler with anything about him today doesn't bowl his full quota?! Kinda sums it up.
Surprising indeed! Could have tried one remaining over from Topley to see if something would have happened or not. Then again, I guess it went like how England would go about things.
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Old 11th November 2015, 18:25   #108
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Well played, Pakistan.

To win the toss, bat, and post such a low score is very poor.

Encouraging performance from Topley but our bowlers just didn't have enough runs to play with. Rashid had a bit of bad luck on a couple of occasions but I doubt it made much difference.
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So, the one England bowler with anything about him today doesn't bowl his full quota?! Kinda sums it up.
Indeed.

No point in saving him to the death as the high leverage overs were earlier than that.
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Old 11th November 2015, 18:29   #110
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Big sample too. You definitely have a point there. More so than usual, anyway.

Rashid rather unlucky there, just now. Complete misread of the wrong 'un.
The larger sample size not doing Yorkshire any favours either.

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Gosh, yes, good point and a much larger sample size. I'm sure it makes you very happy.

As Lloyd, someone who may know what he's talking about, has just said, you need runs on the board for a bowler like Rashid to be effective.
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Gosh, yes, good point and a much larger sample size. I'm sure it makes you very happy.

As Lloyd, someone who may know what he's talking about, has just said, you need runs on the board for a bowler like Rashid to be effective.
We could've batted twice as well and not had enough runs for Rashid to be effective...
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Bring back Anderson.
How many runs do you think he'd have got? Not particularly saying our bowling was excellent, as it clearly wasn't but if you're apportioning blame, the nastiest you could be to the bowlers is giving them about 15% of it. Rashid really isn't enjoying his tour though, is he?
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World cup amnesia MF? Jimmy had 3 rank world cups in a row so you could argue he was an ODI man for the small occcasion only.

More than anything I believe that he may have a couple more years in test cricket as a result of giving up one-dayers.
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World cup amnesia MF? Jimmy had 3 rank world cups in a row so you could argue he was an ODI man for the small occcasion only.

More than anything I believe that he may have a couple more years in test cricket as a result of giving up one-dayers.
I think he would give a bit of ballast to the bowling until the young ones get more experienced. They keep going on about the youngsters learning but they look a bit rag tag. I'm not suggesting he be around for the next World Cup. But he is our highest ranking one-day bowler.

Also I think he would rather be playing both formats. He didn't used to like being rested when the ODIs came round. But he may have changed his mind by now.
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I think he would give a bit of ballast to the bowling until the young ones get more experienced. They keep going on about the youngsters learning but they look a bit rag tag. I'm not suggesting he be around for the next World Cup. But he is our highest ranking one-day bowler.

Also I think he would rather be playing both formats. He didn't used to like being rested when the ODIs came round. But he may have changed his mind by now.
I've got to admit that I did not like the structure of the ODI bowling line-up. It really needed someone with a bit more pace from the seamers. Willey is never an opening bowler and what Psy said earlier re Woakes sadly. The idea that Plunett comes into the side isn't that bad in the short term. As for the spinners.............

As I say I'm happy for Anderson to be a test specialist. I do think that him, Cook (especially) and Broad have a higher ceiling in the longer form of the game in terms of their consistency and longetivity in one form of the game. I was hoping that Bell's removal from ODIs might improve his test match output..............
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I've got to admit that I did not like the structure of the ODI line-up. It really needed someone with a bit more pace from the seamers. Willey is never an opening bowler and what Psy said earlier re Woakes sadly. The idea that Plunett comes into the side isn't that bad in the short term. As for the spinners.............
If Woakes is in the side then he needs the new ball.

England also miss Ravi Bopara for the middle overs.
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Rashid's great balls are fantastic - and far better than anything Ali serves up.

But Moeen bowls less filth - but his stock ball is so innocuous he can get some tap anyway.
Any sensible batsman would be daft to give Moeen serious tap and risk getting him taken out of the attack. Just milk him in the middle overs at a little under a run a ball, safe in the knowledge that he hasn't got the skill to get you out.

I like the idea of Moeen. But the sad reality is he's not good enough for international cricket as either a batsman or a bowler. A bit like a spinning version of Derek Pringle...
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Moeen has been slightly harshly treated in terms of his role in the side in both forms of the game. In tests he's been batted too low a lot of the time, giving him less chance to be effective in his primary skill and then too high, as he's clearly not an opener. In ODIs he showed a fair bit of promise as an opener, albeit by no means a consistent success but now appears to be playing as a bowler and batting miles down the order, when he's capable of real destruction higher up and is probably a better opener than either Roy or Hales. At least in the ODI format his bowling seems to have been reasonably effective, although if you're comparing with Rashid...
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