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Old 12th November 2015, 13:40   #161
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That's the thing. There is nothing wrong with having a period of building so long as you have the capacity to accelerate, something which all 3 of those players really didn't have in their locker.
Strauss is often unfairly linked in with those two. He did have the ability to score quickly and accelerate. I don't believe there were enough overs in a game for Cook or Trott to score 150, Strauss did.

SVG is right, we're just not very good. Yet.
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Old 12th November 2015, 14:30   #162
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I really don't understand why you are making such a fuss on data concerning a limited number of games. He's a younger bowler who will be allowed some time to make his way. He's quick and hustles batsmen. He won't play every game by any means but I'd rather stick with someone with potential than some of the dobbers mentioned earlier on who will be utter cannon fodder away from the greener pitches.
Seems Farbrace agrees with you on Wood.
I don't.

"You look at the bowling group. You've got people out of this group - back in England, either being rested or having injuries, Finn, Stokes, Wood, Broad, Anderson - there's a lot of them who could come in and we know would enhance it and make us a better team.
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Old 12th November 2015, 14:48   #163
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Seems Farbrace agrees with you on Wood.
I don't.

"You look at the bowling group. You've got people out of this group - back in England, either being rested or having injuries, Finn, Stokes, Wood, Broad, Anderson - there's a lot of them who could come in and we know would enhance it and make us a better team.
It would definitely be an improvement on Willey and Woakes on the bowling front and also on the 'bowlers' in oldandfat's side.
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Old 12th November 2015, 15:04   #164
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Strauss is often unfairly linked in with those two. He did have the ability to score quickly and accelerate. I don't believe there were enough overs in a game for Cook or Trott to score 150, Strauss did.

SVG is right, we're just not very good. Yet.
Cook's scored a T20 hundred so he clearly could.

We need to be concentrating on players who could score 50 overs 200s though if things come off. England's ODI batting has regressed since dropping Billings and promoting the pedestrian Taylor.
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Old 12th November 2015, 15:06   #165
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It would definitely be an improvement on Willey and Woakes on the bowling front and also on the 'bowlers' in oldandfat's side.
Woakes hasn't taken a wicket in his last 4 ODIs. Think the pitches are suited to tall bowlers eg. Finn last time, Topley this time and Irfan.
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Old 12th November 2015, 15:10   #166
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It would definitely be an improvement on Willey and Woakes on the bowling front and also on the 'bowlers' in oldandfat's side.
Ggggrrrhhhhh. Not a side I was recommending, just one using to illustrate a point.
For what it is worth my side to play in UAE (assuming everyone fit) would be;

Ali
Willey
Hales
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Bopara/Rashid
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Cook's scored a T20 hundred so he clearly could.

We need to be concentrating on players who could score 50 overs 200s though if things come off. England's ODI batting has regressed since dropping Billings and promoting the pedestrian Taylor.
You mean like Hales? I'm still waiting for him to come off more than once in fifty attempts.
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Old 12th November 2015, 17:59   #168
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Ggggrrrhhhhh. Not a side I was recommending, just one using to illustrate a point.
For what it is worth my side to play in UAE (assuming everyone fit) would be;

Ali
Willey
Hales
Root
Morgan
Taylor
Stokes
Bopara/Rashid
Reed
Finn
Wood
I saw your point it is just that I will confess to have a pathological disregard for one or two of them as either ODI players or as players full stop. I actually think it needs a couple of complete batsmen, wherever they may be although acknowledge that they don't necessarily exist at this moment in time.
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Old 12th November 2015, 18:16   #169
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I saw your point it is just that I will confess to have a pathological disregard for one or two of them as either ODI players or as players full stop. I actually think it needs a couple of complete batsmen, wherever they may be although acknowledge that they don't necessarily exist at this moment in time.
I agree wholeheartedly. Ali (who I like), Hales, Roy, Morgan, Stokes, Butler, Billings are all really exciting attacking players who on their day can post a big score - But alternatively we can fold like a pack of cards.
Root and Taylor are a good start and should be complemented by a couple of other substantial batsmen who the rest can bat around, ideally one who is a commanding opener in the Tresco mould. Bairstow might be an interesting pick in middle order? I do not believe he is a Test batsman (yet) but I think he might deserve a run in ODI ideally unencumbered by the gloves. I think I read someone on the board advocating Root to open in ODI's which the more I think about it the more sense it makes. Although the change to ODI rules may result in the return to "pinch hitters" (Willey?) to take advantage of fielding restrictions.
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Old 12th November 2015, 19:19   #170
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Whatever the quality of the delivery, Hales misjudged the opportunity. Also, "Hotspot", had it been available would probably have shown that the ball hit the pad a split second before the bat.

Rashid did bowl too many bad balls but a wicket at those times may have made a difference. By contrast, Ali never threatened and the wicket he took was the fortunate result of a very poor shot.

When the opposition are chasing a small total, bowling "darts" for a low economy rate will usually only delay defeat.
Hales ran very hard sideways and couldn't quite get a finger on the ball because he didn't run back towards the rope enough but doing so at the same speed while keeping an eye on the ball would have been pretty tough. It was a difficult to extremely difficult chance.

Ali had an lbw shout that looked pretty good in real time. Hawkeye showed it a bit over and fractionally down leg and it wasn't given but that's still better than an lbw shout where the ball clearly deflects off bat and onto pad. You don't need hotspot for that, just eyes and a slow motion replay. He also actually took a wicket from a mistimed shot. You want Rashid to get credit for a long hop that could have resulted in a wicket from an outstanding catch that didn't happen but won't give any to Ali for a wicket that actually fell where he probably deceived the batsman into playing a bad shot? Is Ali an excellent ODI bowler? Of course he isn't. Is he a better ODI bowler than Rashid on what we saw this game and so far in their respective careers? Clearly he is. Rashid's nominal threat on which you set such store in this game (because he didn't actually achieve anything other than to be slapped around silly), was a long hop and a googly the batsman was deceived by but got the inside edge on before pad. Slim pickings doesn't come close.
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Old 12th November 2015, 22:05   #171
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How about a top five batting line-up of Ali, Root, KP, Taylor & Morgan.
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Old 12th November 2015, 22:13   #172
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How about a top five batting line-up of Ali, Root, KP, Taylor & Morgan.
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Old 12th November 2015, 22:37   #173
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Just surprised there was no Dockrell pimped as a spinner before being told that it didn't matter anyway because every Australian player ever is a super-specimen and hardly any of the England players would have a chance to beat them (aside from KP and Morgan of course).
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Just surprised there was no Dockrell pimped as a spinner before being told that it didn't matter anyway because every Australian player ever is a super-specimen and hardly any of the England players would have a chance to beat them (aside from KP and Morgan of course).
He was probably too busy turning down propositions from Chinese sisters to post all this.
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...an lbw shout where the ball clearly deflects off bat and onto pad. ...
Right words but not necessarily in the right order.

Yes, Rashid, didn't bowl very well but he did pose the occasional threat. Ali didn't. Defending a low total, wicket taking potential is more important than a lower economy rate.
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Right words but not necessarily in the right order.

Yes, Rashid, didn't bowl very well but he did pose the occasional threat. Ali didn't. Defending a low total, wicket taking potential is more important than a lower economy rate.
Ali did pose a threat because the last couple of 4's they scored off him players took a risk off decent balls as we were starting to apply a bit of pressure. Watching live it was obvious that the Pakistan batsmen don't feel any need to get after Rashid as they are sure a rank long-hop is just around the corner. He works in 20/20 cricket when batsmen are constantly going after the bowling as Rashid seems to have no idea where the ball is going to land ... so the batsman has no chance. A couple of times in the middle of the innings you could see a bit of pressure being applied only for a poor ball to relieve it all again. If he is to have any kind of future in any of the longer formats he has got to reduce the bad balls to one every three or 4 overs, currently its often one every 3 or 4 balls.
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Old 13th November 2015, 09:28   #177
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Woakes hasn't taken a wicket in his last 4 ODIs. Think the pitches are suited to tall bowlers eg. Finn last time, Topley this time and Irfan.
I'm not really a Woakes fan but being fair I felt he was far and away our second best bowler on Wednesday. I don't know if Sky had a speed gun but some of his balls looked decidedly brisk - similar in speed to Irfan and Riaz. He also adjusted his batting well to account for a pitch where the ball was clearly losing a lot of pace on pitching. The stats probably don't look good but I felt it was the best I've seen him play in both aspects of the game in international cricket.
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So I see that England are unchanged and have won the toss and will bat. 2-0 coming up..............
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