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Old 15th November 2015, 19:16   #21
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He's gone from being an all rounder last year, to a bowler whose batting was better than his bowling this summer, gone to the next batsman sacrifced on the altar of being our next opener. Hard to judge what he really is going forward now. Perhaps he should be considered for the middle order again.

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I'd rather both of Taylor and Ballance and only one of Stokes or Ali though
Moeen isn't good enough to bat in the top six IMHO. He has had ONE stand out innings against Sri Lanka there and other than that I think he lacks especially when so much is expected of his bowling. I reckon he could bat top six if it was his only priority so I agree that I would rather have both Ballance and Taylor in the top six along with Stokes.

Robson didn't look much cop last year against relatively easier opposition than Lyth faced this year. Add to this that Lyth was mucked around. I think he would be a better opening bat than Hales as Hales has far more technical issues than Lyth and a good bowling attack will take him apart outside off stump.
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Morgan could do a job and does as ODI batsman and captain. I'd be very loathe to throw him in again and he is behind Ballance, Taylor, Bell and KP for me. And I wouldn't pick KP.
Worse players are getting picked ahead of Morgan. It looks very likely that Hales is going to open against SA, when we all know he's not up to scratch. It's not as if there's a queue of stand out players ahead of him. Bell is a walking wicket, Ballance has shown glimpses, ditto Bairstow. Only Root and Taylor could be said to be first choice picks on merit, and many would promote Root to open. The middle order is very bare at the moment and needs shored up with an experience player or two.
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Old 15th November 2015, 19:56   #23
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Worse players are getting picked ahead of Morgan. It looks very likely that Hales is going to open against SA, when we all know he's not up to scratch. It's not as if there's a queue of stand out players ahead of him. Bell is a walking wicket, Ballance has shown glimpses, ditto Bairstow. Only Root and Taylor could be said to be first choice picks on merit, and many would promote Root to open. The middle order is very bare at the moment and needs shored up with an experience player or two.
Experience of averaging 30. You're better off with a youngster that has potential. You have enough experience of an underperforming middle order player in Bell.
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Experience of averaging 30. You're better off with a youngster that has potential. You have enough experience of an underperforming middle order player in Bell.
Naa, you need experienced heads, Australia have no qualms picking the likes of Rogers, Voges etc even when they're older than KP.
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Naa, you need experienced heads, Australia have no qualms picking the likes of Rogers, Voges etc even when they're older than KP.
They weren't picked for their experience. It's not top trumps, you can't just find a number that appears on both records and equate them. You're not sir v.
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Well if the awesome Australia do it then why not...
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Morgan could do a job and does as ODI batsman and captain. I'd be very loathe to throw him in again and he is behind Ballance, Taylor, Bell and KP for me. And I wouldn't pick KP.
I would.

And nothing we've seen in the last two years suggests that England wouldn't have been a better team for it.

But he's history.

Presumably as in history making, if his recent form in South Africa is anything to go by.
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Naa, you need experienced heads, Australia have no qualms picking the likes of Rogers, Voges etc even when they're older than KP.
How many times. The problem was kP not his runs.
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It is true. I'm not Sir V.
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How many times. The problem was kP not his runs.
How many times. The problem was the English cricket management, not KP.

KP won't come back so no matter although I'd be tempted to pick him for the T20 world cup though, give him a swansong.
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Moeen isn't good enough to bat in the top six IMHO. He has had ONE stand out innings against Sri Lanka there and other than that I think he lacks especially when so much is expected of his bowling. I reckon he could bat top six if it was his only priority so I agree that I would rather have both Ballance and Taylor in the top six along with Stokes.

Robson didn't look much cop last year against relatively easier opposition than Lyth faced this year. Add to this that Lyth was mucked around. I think he would be a better opening bat than Hales as Hales has far more technical issues than Lyth and a good bowling attack will take him apart outside off stump.
I wouldn't have Stokes or Ali any higher than 7, which means a keeper that has to bat at 5 or 6. Presumably only Bairstow fits that mould, although on form we are basing this upon theory not evidence.
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I think Stokes can bat six but is kinda like a Flintoff so you would want a solid keeper.
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I think Stokes can bat six but is kinda like a Flintoff so you would want a solid keeper.
You'd still argue this would be Bairstow I think though. Again based upon theory that his domestic form will translate to tests.
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Someone is on top form, very good.
Bob Willis made the point that while Yorkshire have dominated the County Championship the last 2 years only one of their players has been a consistent success for England. Says something about the competition.
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Bob Willis made the point that while Yorkshire have dominated the County Championship the last 2 years only one of their players has been a consistent success for England. Says something about the competition.
Hard one to figure out isn't it....

Either very lucky in the County game or very unlucky on the International stage....?!
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In all seriousness. Morgan could do a job. He's currently playing, is in good form and would add another level of leadership to a team lacking in leaders. We are seriously lacking in senior players, especially with Bell looking in terminal decline. Given the lack of confidence amongst all the other batsmen, apart from Cook, Root and Taylor, I'd get him in.
In all seriousness, you cannot be serious. I'm not even going to demolish his county FC and test record, because he's so far off the map it's not even necessary. Yes, of course, he might succeed but there's no good reason to suppose he would or that he would be a better bet to do so than any of the batsmen Zebby lists, or even several others.

Sorry, hadn't spotted that post was end of page not of thread, so already covered.
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They weren't picked for their experience. It's not top trumps, you can't just find a number that appears on both records and equate them. You're not sir v.
I could take offence to that. I spend my life explaining to people that correlation does not mean causation.
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It is true. I'm not Sir V.
Yeah unlucky. Instead you are a Leeds fan, kp fan and believe Morgan should play test cricket. Life must have been so much easier in the past. Leeds were not a laughing stock, kp was contributing to winning matches for England and Morgan had a potential future as a test player.

I suggest supporting Brighton and cheering for moeen Ali. Life will be much easier.
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Except by June where Brighton are 7th and Moeen is dropped.
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Except by June where Brighton are 7th and Moeen is dropped.
This is true but I have learned to live in the present and not get hung up on the past or future
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