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Old 16th December 2015, 15:31   #81
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Ballance having a go.

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Old 16th December 2015, 16:23   #82
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It's good to see Root and Ballance batting together.

Cook, Root, Taylor, Ballance, Bairstow, Buttler, Stokes, Ali, Broad, Anderson and maybe Footitt would be a good match for the saffers.
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Old 16th December 2015, 17:25   #83
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A chance for Cook and Compton to bat together again after all this time. And it lasted all of 8 balls.
Well, at least it disproves all that utter guff that Compton should be in the team because Cook bats well with Compton.

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Hands up who's worried about Alex Hales versus Dale Steyn and Morne Morkel?
Bayliss. Ballance getting a knock suggests that Hales isn't going to be given a very long piece of rope. Not given a chance in UAE and given one warm up match here.
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Old 16th December 2015, 17:50   #84
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Hales should get the first couple of tests at least, I would have thought. Optimism is not very high at the moment, but maybe he just needs a few slices of luck to get his confidence.
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Old 16th December 2015, 18:01   #85
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Hales should get the first couple of tests at least, I would have thought. Optimism is not very high at the moment, but maybe he just needs a few slices of luck to get his confidence.
I fear that with Hales we'll get what we saw with Lyth, Robson and Compton. Too many years in county cricket wrecks their techniques irreparably.
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Old 16th December 2015, 18:06   #86
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Hales has never had a technique for test cricket. He's always been too loose.

I've still go little idea why Lyth was dropped & has yet to get a recall when the inferior Ballance has.
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Hales has never had a technique for test cricket. He's always been too loose.

I've still go little idea why Lyth was dropped & has yet to get a recall when the inferior Ballance has.
Because Ballance actually got quite a few test runs at a good average, as opposed to not very many at a poor average? I'd accept hat Ballance got a lot of his runs against indifferent sides and looked dubious technically, especially against good bowling but he looked more like a middle order player than Lyth looked like an opener. That's despite not being a number 3 but being asked to bat there. Lyth just seemed far too loose outside off stump for test match cricket, didn't he?
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... Bayliss. Ballance getting a knock suggests that Hales isn't going to be given a very long piece of rope. Not given a chance in UAE and given one warm up match here.
I wouldn't go so far as to read that into the fact that Ballance has been allowed to bat. He's the only back-up batsman, so if there are any injuries and he has to step in then it will be good for him to have had at least some time in the middle. But I imagine the expectation is that this will be his only innings on the tour.

There are quite a few people obviously expecting that their hunches about Hales will be proved right on this tour, but I think one should be wary of over-interpreting things from that perspective. My own suspicion is that Hales will get all four tests regardless, partly because the bar has been set so very low by the other recent occupiers of his position, and partly because there isn't really an obvious alternative. Looking at the test squad, there isn't going to be a spare opener waiting in the wings, so if Hales is dropped then the order would have to be rejigged, with Compton moving up to open, which isn't ideal so soon after he's been recalled at no.3, and then with either Root moving to number 3, which isn't ideal because he's our rock at no. 4, or Taylor doing so, which isn't ideal so soon after he's been recalled at no. 5, or Ballance doing so, which isn't ideal because he was dropped just the other day for being no good in that position against good quick bowling. So I think if the selectors were willing to contemplate dropping Hales on this tour, they would have picked another opener in the squad.

Maybe it's a bit like the Chris Adams pick on the same tour a few years ago ... He seemed to get the whole series on principle, even though he was pony throughout.

I think Hales is better than Adams though.
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Because Ballance actually got quite a few test runs at a good average, as opposed to not very many at a poor average? I'd accept hat Ballance got a lot of his runs against indifferent sides and looked dubious technically, especially against good bowling but he looked more like a middle order player than Lyth looked like an opener. That's despite not being a number 3 but being asked to bat there. Lyth just seemed far too loose outside off stump for test match cricket, didn't he?
I liked something about Lyth. Maybe it was his lack of hair for one so young. Felt he had a tough couple of series to pay in against quality bowling.

Ballance just looked petrified by the end of his Ashes appearances. So negative for a no.3 although I acknowledge he usually appears further down the order for Yorks.

If we could pick Lyth or Hales to open in the longer format it's no contest surely?!
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I wouldn't really want to give you the impression that I'm against disagreeing with gbg on principle Sans but it does feel a bit like that's what you're doing. Hales may well get all 4 tests but he's hardly a guy the selectors were aching to pick to open. If Compton does okay or better first couple of tests and Hales can't buy a run, I'd half expect Compton up to open and rejig the order to get Ballance in, probably at 4 or 5. If anything Compton seems a more likely test opener than Hales although as has been much discussed, we're obviously talking more about least worst than clearly best options.

I suppose a four test series might be too short for any changes in the side though, now that I think about it. Let's hope Hales doesn't test the selectors by doing badly.
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I liked something about Lyth. Maybe it was his lack of hair for one so young. Felt he had a tough couple of series to pay in against quality bowling.

Ballance just looked petrified by the end of his Ashes appearances. So negative for a no.3 although I acknowledge he usually appears further down the order for Yorks.

If we could pick Lyth or Hales to open in the longer format it's no contest surely?!
Well before Lyth was so dreadful clearly it wasn't a contest, no. Lyth did have tough opposition, I agree but there's struggling against tough opposition and there's being blown away by a combination of tough opposition and your own manifest failings.
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Well before Lyth was so dreadful clearly it wasn't a contest, no. Lyth did have tough opposition, I agree but there's struggling against tough opposition and there's being blown away by a combination of tough opposition and your own manifest failings.
I didn't see that loose a player though. Maybe a weakness outside off stump but all batsman go through that every now & then. Feel we should have persevered more with him. We're just on a merry go round now & Hales will fall of it pretty quickly.
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I didn't see that loose a player though. Maybe a weakness outside off stump but all batsman go through that every now & then. Feel we should have persevered more with him. We're just on a merry go round now & Hales will fall of it pretty quickly.
He was a playing and missing machine right up to when he played and outside edged or occasionally top edged.
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He was a playing and missing machine right up to when he played and outside edged or occasionally top edged.
I'm sure he didn't get all those runs for Yorks by being so loose outside off stump....!?
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I'm sure he didn't get all those runs for Yorks by being so loose outside off stump....!?
Before he was picked for the test team I was leaning (no pun intended) for his Yorkshire team-mate Lees as I thought Lyth was too loose outside off for tests.

I'm not convinced with Hales either, but with his success in international limited overs cricket and having as good a season in county cricket as any of the contenders, he probably deserves a go. If he has a test future I'd have thought it would be lower down the order.

Root looks the one most like a test opener to me, but we can't pick him because Sir Virgs has a field of scarecrows or something.

I'm hoping Hales can become a right-handed Trescothick though.
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Before he was picked for the test team I was leaning (no pun intended) for his Yorkshire team-mate Lees as I thought Lyth was too loose outside off for tests.

I'm not convinced with Hales either, but with his success in international limited overs cricket and having as good a season in county cricket as any of the contenders, he probably deserves a go. If he has a test future I'd have thought it would be lower down the order.

Root looks the one most like a test opener to me, but we can't pick him because Sir Virgs has a field of scarecrows or something.

I'm hoping Hales can become a right-handed Trescothick though.
Root says he doesn't want to move. He is happy at 4.
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Root says he doesn't want to move. He is happy at 4.
Yeah but didn't Bell say he was to happy to play at 3?
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Before he was picked for the test team I was leaning (no pun intended) for his Yorkshire team-mate Lees as I thought Lyth was too loose outside off for tests.

I'm not convinced with Hales either, but with his success in international limited overs cricket and having as good a season in county cricket as any of the contenders, he probably deserves a go. If he has a test future I'd have thought it would be lower down the order.

Root looks the one most like a test opener to me, but we can't pick him because Sir Virgs has a field of scarecrows or something.

I'm hoping Hales can become a right-handed Trescothick though.
Didn't Root get badly exposed as an opener the last ashes in aus?

I fancy us to knock over hales & ballance.
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Didn't Root get badly exposed as an opener the last ashes in aus?

I fancy us to knock over hales & ballance.
He opened in the ashes in England in 2013. Think his average as opener is about seven runs better than any other option used to partner Cook since Strauss retired. Carberry opened in Australia and was game but not quite good enough.
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Whatever decision that they make, one thing that I wouldn't do is to bring Ballance back at 3. As said above the least worst solution might be Compton opening alongside Cook. I'd personally have Root at 3 leaving nos 4 and 5 as Taylor and Ballance. It is an ongoing conundrum that England have at least a couple of players who are likely not test class occupying a top 5 batting spot. At least one or 2 of the batsmen who are not Cook and Root are going to have to have reasonable series if England are going to get a result of sorts.

This morning England have slumped to 136-6 with Ballance going for 25, Root 39 and Bairstow for a duck. Hardly a great session.
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