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Old 21st December 2015, 10:46   #161
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England 169-1 at lunch. This is a most impressive performance. Hales should take some confidence into the first test after making some runs against a good attack.
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Old 21st December 2015, 10:46   #162
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I don't think it's anything to worry out. Jimmy is very experienced and knows his body better than most and the type of preparation required. In addition, he is probably saving himself for the back-to-back tests. I agree with KYS that 2 days between tests is ludicrous.
I hope that's the case!
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Old 21st December 2015, 10:51   #163
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England sprung a surprise by picking Mark Footitt for this second and final warm-up match even though he appeared to bowl himself out of Test contention with a nervy display in his first senior match for his country in Potchefstroom.

The theory is that England wanted him to get more overs into his legs in case he is needed with the new ball as the series goes on but the newcomer again looked a little out of his depth here even though he took an early wicket.

All 6 of our fast bowlers are new ball bowlers.

Can't believe that there is only a 2 day break between Tests. They don't want to be bowling last in the 1st Test and first in the 2nd Test.

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This was against England at Newlands last time.
Like Psy and no doubt others I can only concur. You may recall the 2004/5 series where England nearly won in Durban (and would have been 2-0 up) but in the end were denied by SA rearguard and dodgy light. The next test was in Cape Town and England got battered there after losing the toss and bowling and the series went to 1-1. Cape Town is one place where England tend to struggle more than others in SA.
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Old 21st December 2015, 10:53   #164
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Not quite 180 but not far off. Some batsmen seem to have issues like that, Gatt was often lbw padding up, and I reckon Gooch used to do it to. Certainly something to work on.
Indeed. Even the best batsmen have their standard dismissals. I wonder how many times Cook has poked his bat out and nicked behind? Yet I keep reading (probably about 180 times now) how he's such a great English captain.
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Old 21st December 2015, 10:57   #165
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he says for the 180th time, just to make sure we all remember when it happens..
As an England fan it almost makes me want you guys to win.

Either way hoping for a fascinating series, something akin to 2004/5 when two slightly flawed teams combined to make it an intriguing matchup.
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Old 21st December 2015, 11:13   #166
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He may have played whatever happened in this match as the senior player, I'd say he's a lock to play now.
I hope so.

Depending on the pitch - dare they go in with just Root as a slow bowling option ? Could then play 4 seamers plus Stokes.
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I hope that's the case!
I read yesterday that he only bowled 12 overs in the warm ups for the Pakistan series and he was excellent.
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Old 21st December 2015, 11:16   #168
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I hope so.

Depending on the pitch - dare they go in with just Root as a slow bowling option ? Could then play 4 seamers plus Stokes.
Why would you want 5 seamers? Durban is the one ground in SA where spin can play a part and Moeen is much better than Root.
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Old 21st December 2015, 11:30   #169
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Indeed. Even the best batsmen have their standard dismissals. I wonder how many times Cook has poked his bat out and nicked behind? Yet I keep reading (probably about 180 times now) how he's such a great English captain.
There are standard dismissals and standard dismissals though.

I seem to recall Alec Stewart getting bowling more often than he should too.
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As an England fan it almost makes me want you guys to win.

Either way hoping for a fascinating series, something akin to 2004/5 when two slightly flawed teams combined to make it an intriguing matchup.
Don't be like that. Would you rather we had lost the ashes too?
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I hope so.

Depending on the pitch - dare they go in with just Root as a slow bowling option ? Could then play 4 seamers plus Stokes.
What about picking a specialist spinner?
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What about picking a specialist spinner?
England don't do that!!! Have they got any?
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Top up for Cook with a six off De Lange. His runs have come at a very good strike rate too. I wonder if he'll retire out now to give the likes of Taylor, Stokes and Bairstow a bat?
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What about picking a specialist spinner?
I'd pick the 5 bowlers most likely to take wickets and the 6 batsmen most likely to make runs.
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I read yesterday that he only bowled 12 overs in the warm ups for the Pakistan series and he was excellent.
He bowled 73 overs for Lancs just before leaving for the UAE.

No bowling for 3 weeks before NZ - 6 for 43.00
No bowling for 5 weeks before Ashes first 2 Tests 3 for 71.00.

Broad seems to do fine whether he has overs under his belt or not.
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Top up for Cook with a six off De Lange. His runs have come at a very good strike rate too. I wonder if he'll retire out now to give the likes of Taylor, Stokes and Bairstow a bat?
Well he's got out now and Taylor is now in. I doubt England care as much about winning this game quite as ensuring their players get a go so they probably won't declare before the aforementioned get a hit. They will want to ensure they give their quicks a reasonable go tomorrow though.
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Old 21st December 2015, 12:50   #177
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I'd pick the 5 bowlers most likely to take wickets and the 6 batsmen most likely to make runs.
So if the best five bowlers averaged 6 with the bat you would have them batting 7? Seriously?

I would suggest that a better strategy is to pick the side most likely to win the match.
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So if the best five bowlers averaged 6 with the bat you would have them batting 7? Seriously?

I would suggest that a better strategy is to pick the side most likely to win the match.
Picking the best five bowlers (the clue is wicket-taking) and the best six batsmen is the most likely way to win the match. These days you don't get five bowlers all of whom average 6 or less with the bat.
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Picking the best five bowlers (the clue is wicket-taking) and the best six batsmen is the most likely way to win the match. These days you don't get five bowlers all of whom average 6 or less with the bat.
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Picking the best five bowlers (the clue is wicket-taking) and the best six batsmen is the most likely way to win the match. These days you don't get five bowlers all of whom average 6 or less with the bat.
None of our bowlers are that bad with the bat but given that the conversation was in the abstract, it was a fair enough counter question. If you're only playing 4 bowlers you can probably pretty much ignore how 3 of them bat, as long as they're very clearly 3 of the best 4. Bit different if you're picking 5 of them.
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