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Old 29th November 2015, 11:36   #21
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Invisible signals, excellent.
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Old 29th November 2015, 11:57   #22
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If you had seen the incident you would have understood why a sign was impossible.

I don't know how much cricket you've played. Hell I don't care. I doubt it's at as high a level as I have, not that it really matters.

I do know though that the delivery we are talking about (Which I watched live) was a reaction from Ali to the charge from the batsman.

It's a very natural & trained move from an offie to throw a ball down the leg side when he sees the batsman charging at the last min. Any keeper worth his salt is also trained to expect the leg side quicker ball on a batsman's charge.

You don't 'sign' or 'signal' for that. It's a given at any top level.

Maybe if you had seen the incident you would concur.
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Old 29th November 2015, 16:10   #23
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Old 29th November 2015, 16:55   #24
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It's only a plane if you don't see it. If you do see it then it still might not be a plane unless it signals it is. If it looks likes a plane & signals its a plane then it's something else..... Probably a giraffe.
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Old 30th November 2015, 10:16   #25
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Invisible signals, excellent.
Not invisible but undetected by those not knowing what to watch for.

Very impressed by the claim that it was impossible for Ali to have made a signal to the bowler in this particular instance if not by the lack of evidence in support of it and all the other irrelevant stuff surrounding it. Bluster is not the same as evidence.
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Old 30th November 2015, 12:58   #26
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Very impressed by the claim that it was impossible for Ali to have made a signal to the bowler in this particular instance if not by the lack of evidence in support of it and all the other irrelevant stuff surrounding it. Bluster is not the same as evidence.
Ali was the bowler..... Or are you saying here he made the 'sign' to himself?
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Old 30th November 2015, 13:36   #27
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OK, should have said "keeper". Surprised you didn't guess that...

...or maybe not.
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Old 30th November 2015, 14:16   #28
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OK, should have said "keeper". Surprised you didn't guess that...

...or maybe not.
I guessed it thanks, just wanted you to admit your mistake in writing.

Can you tell me why or indeed 'what' Ali would have apparently signalled on the delivery in question?
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Old 1st December 2015, 10:08   #29
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OK, should have said "keeper". Surprised you didn't guess that...

...or maybe not.
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I guessed it thanks, just wanted you to admit your mistake in writing.

Can you tell me why or indeed 'what' Ali would have apparently signalled on the delivery in question?
Oh, dear. Does it have to have happened near to the time of the delivery? Is it too difficult to conceive of its having been planned for some time before it was bowled? Perhaps it is.

Who could ever say what any signal may have been, if a signal it was. It may have been the result of a conversation, perhaps involving the captain too. I really can't believe I'm having to explain this.

By the way, enjoy your little "victory". It must be precious to you.
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Oh, dear. Does it have to have happened near to the time of the delivery? Is it too difficult to conceive of its having been planned for some time before it was bowled? Perhaps it is.

Who could ever say what any signal may have been, if a signal it was. It may have been the result of a conversation, perhaps involving the captain too. I really can't believe I'm having to explain this.

By the way, enjoy your little "victory". It must be precious to you.
Do you mean that the bowler planned the batsman's charge? I'm genuinely puzzled. Certainly, the keeper might expect a decent bowler to alter his planned delivery in such circumstances, but the whole point of this discussion is that there would be no opportunity for the bowler to signal that alteration which is his reaction to the batsman coming down the wicket as the ball is delivered.
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Oh, dear. Does it have to have happened near to the time of the delivery? Is it too difficult to conceive of its having been planned for some time before it was bowled? Perhaps it is.

Who could ever say what any signal may have been, if a signal it was. It may have been the result of a conversation, perhaps involving the captain too. I really can't believe I'm having to explain this.
*Beep* *Beep* *Beep* Attention! This poster is reversing!

So now a signal at the time of delivery (Which was completely impossible as I said at the time) has now changed to a conversazione at potentially any time.

This is obviously completely possible & a very realistic notion. You may notice in one of my first posts on the topic that I mentioned training & pre-game conversations. I mentioned these because I know they happen, I've been involved in them.

I'd argue though that it's a naturally learnt/trained occurrence for an offie to spear down one leg after seeing a batsman's charge but you're verging on close to reality here so I don't want to discourage you.

For the record you are having to explain (backtrack) yourself because no one can quite believe you are trying to tell us that a spinner has signalled to the keeper that he is going to bowl down the leg side after seeing a batsman charge at the very last second.

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Old 1st December 2015, 16:22   #33
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Stop feeding it.
I agree with you & I apologise. Very aware I'm entering in to FS la la la territory here.

Rest assured when this is resolved I will avoid further incidents.
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This is more watching it swing around under its bridge on the lengths of rope it's been encouraged to wrap around its neck and giving it the occasional extra push but your point is still fair.
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Old 2nd December 2015, 09:31   #35
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...You may notice in one of my first posts on the topic that I mentioned training & pre-game conversations. I mentioned these because I know they happen, I've been involved in them. ....
It would be very rare for them to decide, so far ahead of the event, a specific action at a certain time. The point makes little more sense than some other things you have said.

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...For the record you are having to explain (backtrack) yourself because no one can quite believe you are trying to tell us that a spinner has signalled to the keeper that he is going to bowl down the leg side after seeing a batsman charge at the very last second.
The ball may always have been going down the leg side, whatever the batsman did, of course. That really shouldn't be too difficult to understand.
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I agree with you & I apologise. Very aware I'm entering in to FS la la la territory here. ...
Speaking of which, I have to say the verbal constipation that produced "la, la, la" is far preferable to the other extreme, followed for such a long time, over tens of thousands of posts.

It seems a little laxity may be creeping back, however.
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... The ball may always have been going down the leg side, whatever the batsman did, of course. That really shouldn't be too difficult to understand.
Do you think the bowler was paid to bowl a wide?
If so, I can understand why he would want his team-mates to think it was an accident.
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I think they get paid for all their efforts, intended or not, good or not so good.
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I think they get paid for all their efforts, intended or not, good or not so good.
Which is just as well for adil or he would be skint.
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Question for the board.... I can continue with the feeding/hanging quite happily but I'm wary, as pointed out yesterday, of potentially ruining the messageboard experience for others.

This obviously wasn't my intention & what started out as my amusement of someone's completely incorrect interpretation of how this part of the game is played has predictably turned in to the usual posting pattern that everyone here who has engaged with this same poster has been taken down.

So, if you would like me to drop the topic please let me know if any way you deem fit.
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