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Old 11th December 2015, 09:22   #21
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Old 11th December 2015, 09:25   #22
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That's almost Bradmanesque
I'd consider Voges more similar in ability to Du Plessis, as in he's alright but nothing special. Du Plessis had a very high test match average after his first few games yet but has levelled out in recent times probably to a level where it belongs. Voges looked a typical Aussie abroad in the Ashes when there was movement on offer, despite a whole chunk of experience over here.
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Old 11th December 2015, 10:47   #23
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I hope he smacks his average up to over 100 in this series then retires.
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Old 11th December 2015, 10:48   #24
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I'd consider Voges more similar in ability to Du Plessis, as in he's alright but nothing special. Du Plessis had a very high test match average after his first few games yet but has levelled out in recent times probably to a level where it belongs. Voges looked a typical Aussie abroad in the Ashes when there was movement on offer, despite a whole chunk of experience over here.
I think you're right about du Plessis' current test average (43) being a fair reflection of his ability but I would say he is a better player than Voges, particularly if you take into account all 3 formats.
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Old 11th December 2015, 10:54   #25
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WI players seem uninterested in Test cricket and the WICB politics makes the BCCI look like saints. Unfortunately makes a mockery of the game when two mediocre early-to-mid thirties aged Australian players put on the sixth highest Test partnership ever. Shaun Marsh's ducks to innings record was getting him comparisons with Glenn McGrath's batting ability a couple of weeks ago! Okay that was a bit harsh and he played a good innings against NZ at Adelaide but still.
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Old 11th December 2015, 13:59   #26
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This is a bit of a stain on test cricket and the very proud history of West Indian cricket. Brings tears to my eyes thinking of Curtly Ambrose being responsible for this. He'd probably still bowl better than this himself. Pleased to report I put a small bet on WI at 28s before the game, hoping for either early wickets or a good start with the bat then a partial cash out. That would actually have been a winner had Ramdin taken the early chance off Warner. Anyway, definitely not money I'll be seeing back from here.
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Old 11th December 2015, 19:21   #27
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This is a bit of a stain on test cricket and the very proud history of West Indian cricket. Brings tears to my eyes thinking of Curtly Ambrose being responsible for this. He'd probably still bowl better than this himself. Pleased to report I put a small bet on WI at 28s before the game, hoping for either early wickets or a good start with the bat then a partial cash out. That would actually have been a winner had Ramdin taken the early chance off Warner. Anyway, definitely not money I'll be seeing back from here.
The best wager this match would be whether it went beyond 3 days.
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Old 12th December 2015, 06:38   #28
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Ouch, game over already. Only 36 overs in the second innings, which speaks volumes about the mismatch.
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Old 12th December 2015, 10:33   #29
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the Aussies must be getting seriously worried about interest in this series, especially with the Boxing day test coming up. If only they had thought to switch the NZ and WI series round
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Old 12th December 2015, 11:05   #30
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the Aussies must be getting seriously worried about interest in this series, especially with the Boxing day test coming up. If only they had thought to switch the NZ and WI series round
If the WI really did need to be invited for a Test series rather than a limited overs series (a load of T20 games would probably make the most cricketing and commercial sense as WI aren't particularly good at ODI cricket either), that would have been much better. Two Tests for them to start the summer and then three or four against NZ including Boxing Day and New Year's. But it may have been the case that NZ wanted to be play in front of their own crowds during that period (understandably).

This is now WI's 53rd defeat in 71 away Test matches excluding Ban/Zim since January 2000.
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Good to see the follow on being enforced. Smith shows better captaincy promise than Clarke or Ponting.
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Old 13th December 2015, 02:15   #32
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Good to see the follow on being enforced. Smith shows better captaincy promise than Clarke or Ponting.
I liked Clarke's crazy arse captaincy but it certainly wasn't sound.
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Shaun Marsh dropped by Australia for the returning Khwaija, a somewhat harsh decision bit there you go, it's Christmas.
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Old 25th December 2015, 19:22   #34
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Shaun Marsh dropped by Australia for the returning Khwaija, a somewhat harsh decision bit there you go, it's Christmas.
Pretty sure Khawaja's is a better player, to be fair.

Really just questions of how long it takes for Australia to win this one and whether there's enough uncertainty about the outcome at any point for any useful trading opportunities to come up. Hoping for some rain (there is a bit forecast) WI bowling and some early chances being taken not dropped this time. Hard to see even a good session or two resulting in more than brief interest though, sadly. Transplant two top players from yesteryear into this WI side, say Lara and Ambrose and it might make for a test match, because this isn't by any means a great Aussie side but it's good enough.
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Old 26th December 2015, 09:05   #35
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Khawaja and Burns get tons. Khawaja now has 3 tons in 12 tests and previous incarnations of him haven't looked even close to test class. 345-3 at close Australia so slower than in the previous test but even so it is fill your boots time for the Aussies.
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Old 26th December 2015, 09:29   #36
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Khawaja and Burns get tons. Khawaja now has 3 tons in 12 tests and previous incarnations of him haven't looked even close to test class. 345-3 at close Australia so slower than in the previous test but even so it is fill your boots time for the Aussies.
The new Amla?

More depressing is that the West Indies even won the toss.
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Was holder instructed to let the Aussies bat by CA and C9 just so the home fans had something to watch?
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Old 27th December 2015, 05:14   #38
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2 more tonnes today to Smith and Voges, both finished unbeaten after smith declared for 551, so thats 4 centuries in our first innings.

The first thing the windies need to do is Sack Ambrose as coach, he might have been a great cricketer but its clear hes a very poor coach who simply cannot get the boys into a mindset to play cricket, id go as far as to call him childish in his demeanor, in fact hes looking like a dope these days.
He is too much like one of the boys and hes smoked way too many bongs to be coaching a national side, they are clearly not responding to him.

Theres zero team spirit, first think id do is ban these clowns from wearing their gold bling and G-Shocks on the park, its not a fashion contest, these clowns need a new mindset because none of them give a ****, their body language is a disgrace, they lack heart, its as simple as that

The west indies are making a mockery of test match cricket, id take away their test status and make them earn it back, maybe they will find some spirit and heart then but i highly doubt it, its their too cool for school attitude from their youth thats destroyed test cricket for them, its safe to say west indian test cricket has lost all pride and heart, it irritates me to even watch them put in such a half hearted effort, its an insult to the game, to themselves, to the opposition and to the fans and crowd.

Sorry for the rant lads, but ive watched them field for two days, id go as far as to say that i suspect match fixing could be rife in their team, and watching their attitude out there i really dont know what to think, theres simply something not right imo

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Windies finish the day at 6/91, no ticka at all.

There seems to be some sort of contest in their team for who can walk the slowest and move the slowest, they seem to think the slower you move the cooler you are, seriously these blokes are a pack of clowns, id sack them all starting with Marlin Samuels, hes an embarrassment and one of the worst offenders.
They are playing just like they are on the take, im not claiming they are as i wouldnt have a clue but it looks like a text book example of it.
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Roo, I am in despair that these games have test status at all. As my avatar and user name suggests I was a big fan of West Indies quick bowlers back in the day and to see this makes me utterly sick.

Adam Voges has been a decent first class cricketer, but a good test batsman. Never in a million years. Windies are as bad, if not worse than what Bangladesh were a few years ago and what Zimbabwe have been. I've always evaluated players by deducting their records against those countries. You can now add West Indies to those two in taking "achievements" against those sides with a pinch of salt. So sad.
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