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Old 17th December 2015, 12:37   #1
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James Vince

I thought he deserved his own thread since he is now an England player. I was a bit worried that he may do a James Hildreth and look good, score lots of runs, but never be at the head of the queue when a spot came up in the England side(s). However, he got his chance in the T20s and not only scored runs, but did so in a way that suggests he could make the step up in all cricket to me.

He may have taken a step back with the Lions though and miss out on selection for the World T20 (although I feel if Morgan wants someone in his team, he will pick them regardless and back them to perform). I just wondered what people thought about his chances of making it into the Test team. There are obvious comparisons with Michael Vaughan, so I wonder if he could possibly be the actual answer to our opening problem. His technique looks safer and classier than Hales's, but I'm not sure how often he has actually batted above 3 for Hampshire.
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I thought he deserved his own thread since he is now an England player. I was a bit worried that he may do a James Hildreth and look good, score lots of runs, but never be at the head of the queue when a spot came up in the England side(s). However, he got his chance in the T20s and not only scored runs, but did so in a way that suggests he could make the step up in all cricket to me.

He may have taken a step back with the Lions though and miss out on selection for the World T20 (although I feel if Morgan wants someone in his team, he will pick them regardless and back them to perform). I just wondered what people thought about his chances of making it into the Test team. There are obvious comparisons with Michael Vaughan, so I wonder if he could possibly be the actual answer to our opening problem. His technique looks safer and classier than Hales's, but I'm not sure how often he has actually batted above 3 for Hampshire.
No.3 spot is open in the England line-up too. Maybe in due course they will select on talent and technique rather than just county performance. I know less about Vince's game in CC cricket other than he had a poor season last year but had been regarded as a prospect for some time. Just picking a player on the back of county performances is no guarantee of success as one or two recent selectees have found.
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This is the 1000th thread on the England board. Congrats to James Vince. Let's hope this isn't the pinnacle of his career.
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Glad to Vince in the T20 side. Him and Billings probably deserve a place in the starting line up, but fitting them in will be difficult.
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Old 10th February 2016, 14:34   #6
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This is the 1000th thread on the England board. Congrats to James Vince. Let's hope this isn't the pinnacle of his career.
He couldn't have done it without me, though. Ditto CDogg, I reckon he is a shoo-in for the Tests v Sri Lanka.
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I reckon he is a shoo-in for the Tests v Sri Lanka.
I think the selectors are likely to want to see some form in the Championship first. Where's he going to bat? Number three? Good luck.
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Old 10th February 2016, 17:22   #8
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He couldn't have done it without me, though. Ditto CDogg, I reckon he is a shoo-in for the Tests v Sri Lanka.
Who, CDogg? Didn't realise that he's the chatroom alterego of an emerging English cricketing talent.

Or is alterego the alterego of an English cricketer? Are they both Ian Bell?
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Old 10th February 2016, 18:13   #9
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Who, CDogg? Didn't realise that he's the chatroom alterego of an emerging English cricketing talent.

Or is alterego the alterego of an English cricketer? Are they both Ian Bell?
Bah, just poo wording on my part I'm afraid. Been up since 3AM you see. Ian Bell would be very wise to steer clear of this site.
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He couldn't have done it without me, though. Ditto CDogg, I reckon he is a shoo-in for the Tests v Sri Lanka.
Better go and get my gear ready. I never knew I was so highly thought of on this board. That must be what all the plane references are about, 'Get him on the plane.' Next time there is a poll debating who should open the batting I expect to see my name in the mix.
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He couldn't have done it without me, though. Ditto CDogg, I reckon he is a shoo-in for the Tests v Sri Lanka.
I reckon he's been told the number 3 spot is his if he scores early season runs. Why else turn down a lucrative IPL contract?
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I reckon he's been told the number 3 spot is his if he scores early season runs. Why else turn down a lucrative IPL contract?
No chance. How about to score early season runs and play yourself into the reckoning? He has no recent red ball success to back his case currently. They won't select him unless he proves he can at least handle the red ball at County level. Why, even Alex Hales scored big tons against the best attacks in the division.
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No chance. How about to score early season runs and play yourself into the reckoning? He has no recent red ball success to back his case currently. They won't select him unless he proves he can at least handle the red ball at County level. Why, even Alex Hales scored big tons against the best attacks in the division.
I've always had the feeling that the selectors favour lions runs above county runs. Vince stacked up plenty a year ago in in the tour of South Africa when they played a strong South Africa A side.
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I've always had the feeling that the selectors favour lions runs above county runs. Vince stacked up plenty a year ago in in the tour of South Africa when they played a strong South Africa A side.
Vince didn't average much over twenty last season. If he struggles stepping up from Divison Two to Division One bowlers he will have no chance of making the step up Test cricket. He needs a year or two performing in the first division before he considered for a Test call up. If he is called up it will be a poor decision from the selectors, and another example of trying to convert useful one day players into Test players.
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Vince didn't average much over twenty last season. If he struggles stepping up from Divison Two to Division One bowlers he will have no chance of making the step up Test cricket. He needs a year or two performing in the first division before he considered for a Test call up. If he is called up it will be a poor decision from the selectors, and another example of trying to convert useful one day players into Test players.
Or it might be that they just see talent in him like they did in Trescothick and Vaughan.
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Or it might be that they just see talent in him like they did in Trescothick and Vaughan.
He might be a tent but until he proves he can do it in the top tier of the Championship I would no rather have him in Test side than I would Compton in the T20 side.
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It's a catch 22 situation. The selectors really need to be able to identify who they really DO think is a test match class talent rather than just by going on county championship numbers alone as I intimated in my initial reply to Sharky further up. Therefore a young player, who say scores a few early season tons on roads such as Taunton, Lord's and the Oval shouldn't necessarily be considered for national honours unless they analyse the quality of bowling attacks, technical ability and the knack of scoring runs on trickier pitches.
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He might be a tent but until he proves he can do it in the top tier of the Championship I would no rather have him in Test side than I would Compton in the T20 side.
Imagine if Graveney and Fletcher had had that attitude. Trescothick may never have pulled in and England shirt. They just saw a talent and ran with it. Much in the same way that I'd rather get Jamie Overton in the team over Brooks and Rushworth, despite the fact that he has far inferior first class stats.
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Imagine if Graveney and Fletcher had had that attitude. Trescothick may never have pulled in and England shirt. They just saw a talent and ran with it. Much in the same way that I'd rather get Jamie Overton in the team over Brooks and Rushworth, despite the fact that he has far inferior first class stats.
C Overton is miles better with the red ball than J Overton.
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Vince didn't average much over twenty last season. If he struggles stepping up from Divison Two to Division One bowlers he will have no chance of making the step up Test cricket. He needs a year or two performing in the first division before he considered for a Test call up. If he is called up it will be a poor decision from the selectors, and another example of trying to convert useful one day players into Test players.
The perfect replacement for Bell then!
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