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Old 26th December 2015, 11:38   #81
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I don't remember as much incredulity about Lyth's selection as there has been about Hales.

It'd be nice to be proved wrong but Hales looked exactly what he is today - a one day specialist.
Probably exposes people's ignorance of the county game. Hales' technique has been heavily scrutinised because he's played a lot of England already. Very few will have watched Lyth and considered his game in enough detail to be able to come to any conclusion before he first strode out to the middle in an England shirt. That can be said about the professional commentators as much as us plebs in here.
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Old 26th December 2015, 11:39   #82
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Looked plumb.
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Old 26th December 2015, 11:41   #83
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That was a perfect demo of how not to play spin. Come on then Taylor. This is your moment.
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Old 26th December 2015, 11:53   #84
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Hales has a very difficult assignment here, England have screwed around with opening bats since Strauss retired. Along with Carberry the current man has the most difficult job.
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The question shouldn't arise. It's astounding to think the selectors consider Hales a good enough opener at this level.
I find it interesting NE should mention Carberry, neither Hales, nor Carberry or indeed Ali should have been considered as openers. It's quite funny that Carberry got as many Test caps as ODI caps, made a HS of around 60 in both formats, yet did a bit better in Tests.

It's bizarre the selectors ever went with Carberry, does make me (now) think that perhaps they are going for a lightning start, or maybe some kind of reverse psychology, perhaps the bowlers so intent on getting that kind of batsman out they serve up a few too many too full or too straight.


I do find it quite amusing the almost 'double bluff' argument involving a player who made it as a Test batsman but struggled early doors. The 'what if.......' scenario put out there as if it might put off people from criticising a new batsman.

Sure Gooch made a pair on debut, batting at FIVE with the team making 101 and 173, a team that included Edrich, Amiss, Fletcher and Denness above him. He did make a fifty first time he got to open.

Why don't we go the whole hog and compare someone with Kallis......?!?!? I mean the guy averaged a meagre 14.78 after six Tests, 16 Tests in his average was still only 25.38, c'mon peeps, I'm GIFTING you a freebie here to make ridiculous 'reduction ad absurdum' level comparisons.

Let's start with Ali will be a better all-rounder than Kallis because after 17 Tests he's kicking Rs

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Kallis : 741 runs @ 29.64 & 22 wkts @ 29.86
Ali : 795 runs @ 30.58 & 47 wkts @ 37.68

Well actually maybe Ali doesn't average as well with the ball as Kallis so we'll have to say that Kallis didn't take 50 wickets as quickly as Ali so it's that stat that counts in the bowling stakes, speed and quantity over economy

I think Kallis must have been a pants bowler as he took 28 Tests to get 50 wickets, and his batting record is nowhere near as good batting #8.

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Compton is looking quite solid so far. He should have opened with Cook.
Stodgy, more the part than some of the selections of recent times, but I'd personally have gone or maybe even stuck with Robson at six years Compton's junior and with the same kind of record.




I see Root is now out, still at least Compton is battling away to save his career and we have superbALIfragilisticexpialidocious batting to look forward down at #8 where, by the time he bats, pressure will be off because he can't really fail - if he doesn't make any runs then no one else did or it won't matter so much if they did and he doesn't, or if he makes runs then he can claim brownie points.

Be interesting to see how many Taylor, Stokes and Bairstow make, if I were a betting man I'd back Taylor to make the least runs based on a law Murphy came up with, and Ali to come in and make a bright and breezy 30+
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Old 26th December 2015, 11:53   #85
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Taylor getting very off-side. Looking a bit of a candidate for bowled leg stump or caught at midwicket.
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Old 26th December 2015, 12:00   #86
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I was about to post about how well Root and Compton were batting then Root falls first ball to the spinner. More rain now too. This really is the worst possible scenario for England today.
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Old 26th December 2015, 12:09   #87
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If it's any consolation England were 53/3 at Durban in 04/05, got bowled out for 139 but declared 570/7 in the 2nd innings and got a draw - England won the series 2-1.

That is the only series England have won in South Africa for 50 years, albeit England have only played in South Africa 4 times inbetween now and 64/65.
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Compton and Taylor have done ok in retrieving this situation. I'm perplexed at the decision from Amla to bowl Van Zyl at this time. The qucks have had a pretty easy day and they are unlikely to get much play after lunch so why not another spell from Steyn and Morkel?
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Shame about Cook and Root today, when they were meant to be our mainstays in the batting. Having Taylor at five is somehow quite comforting, however.
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Compton and Taylor have done ok in retrieving this situation. I'm perplexed at the decision from Amla to bowl Van Zyl at this time. The qucks have had a pretty easy day and they are unlikely to get much play after lunch so why not another spell from Steyn and Morkel?
Ok seems a tad harsh!
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Shame about Cook and Root today, when they were meant to be our mainstays in the batting. Having Taylor at five is somehow quite comforting, however.
It gives the commentators the opportunity to repeat, ad nauseam, that England can't keep on relying on Cook and Root.
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Ok seems a tad harsh!
I wasn't trying to tempt fate at the time! They've done well. It isn't a bad situation at all now.
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Old 26th December 2015, 14:21   #94
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Whoever advocated for Compton, including he himself from what I have read, take a step forward please. Well done.
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Super impressed with these two. How long until the light goes?
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Is Kyle Abbott South Africa's answer to Gus Fraser? He looks knackered after 15 overs. Similar build too.
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Super impressed with these two. How long until the light goes?
The lights are on, can they play under them? Presume there will be a lot of early starts to make up time from here either way.
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50 for The Compdog and the 100 partnership brought up in quick succession. Well batted.
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Elgar looks like a pretty handy part time spinner. The pitch is taking turn already.
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Almost like real test cricket from back in the old days
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