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Old 26th December 2015, 19:57   #121
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Atherton suggested Woakes would come in at eight.

Taylor batted nicely today, kept the score ticking over and his quick running helped Compton avoid becoming dogged down. Frustrating he didn't carry on to a century however.
I like Woakes but is he really coming in ahead of our opener in UAE? Would be quite comical if he did.

Agree on Taylor. He'd done most of the hard yards but he lost concentration to follow a ball he should have been leaving all day.

I'm not really sure about Compton. Clearly he did well and played his game the way he was picked to do. It's just that little bit too turgid to be absolutely content about, bearing in mind that test matches aren't just for avoiding defeat in. He does at least need a little more strike rotation.
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Old 26th December 2015, 20:05   #122
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Nice hissy fit. Do you have any idea how ridiculous that post makes you appear? Probably not.

Very few people thought Hales opening at test level was a good idea.
I think we can all decide for ourselves which posters look ridiculous and why.
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Old 26th December 2015, 20:14   #123
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I like Woakes but is he really coming in ahead of our opener in UAE? Would be quite comical if he did.

Agree on Taylor. He'd done most of the hard yards but he lost concentration to follow a ball he should have been leaving all day.

I'm not really sure about Compton. Clearly he did well and played his game the way he was picked to do. It's just that little bit too turgid to be absolutely content about, bearing in mind that test matches aren't just for avoiding defeat in. He does at least need a little more strike rotation.
Did any of the ashes tests reach day five?
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Old 26th December 2015, 20:20   #124
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Did any of the ashes tests reach day five?
Are we still playing the Ashes? I'm looking forward for the side.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be too critical as he's done well today but I think batsmen need a little more in the way of options, even if some of those are defensive sorts of ways of scoring like nudging the ball into gaps when blocking it. If you are very slow scoring and still get out early some of the time (which he will) then you've not done enough often enough, to influence the game. Fine if he's often good for 80+ at a SR of 35 but it does need to be that kind of score fairly often because he can bat for a session and a half, be out and have only achieved a reasonable number of runs for a specialist batsman and he's not so good defensively that he'll avoid a fair share of cheap dismissals.
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Old 26th December 2015, 21:27   #125
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Basically what Slogger said.

Although Compton's the not out batsman, I thought Taylor's innings was the more impressive and he looked more like the senior batsman.
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Old 26th December 2015, 21:35   #126
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Basically what Slogger said.

Although Compton's the not out batsman, I thought Taylor's innings was the more impressive and he looked more like the senior batsman.
Yeah, have to agree back. I was dubious that Taylor would cope with the quality of pace bowling on offer this tour but he's started very well indeed. Certainly, despite his poor shot to get out, he looked better than Compton.
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Old 26th December 2015, 21:37   #127
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Compton has done remarkably well today to anchor the innings. Keep this up and we'll be calling him Trott Mk II.
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Compton has done remarkably well today to anchor the innings. Keep this up and we'll be calling him Trott Mk II.
Trott was a lot quicker scoring than this.
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Amazing how after the events of today, all the criticism is getting directed at Compton.

Can we at least wait until he has an extended run of bad form, or actively negatively impacts the result of a test match with his slow scoring before we try and blacklist him?
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Amazing how after the events of today, all the criticism is getting directed at Compton.
Can't criticise Compdog. Did what was needed and did it well.
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Amazing how after the events of today, all the criticism is getting directed at Compton.

Can we at least wait until he has an extended run of bad form, or actively negatively impacts the result of a test match with his slow scoring before we try and blacklist him?
Can we at least wait until he's properly criticised before rushing to his defence against criticism that's hardly even been levelled? He did well and nobody has said that he didn't. Judging whether he's going to be good enough at test level is going to be based on how he does when he's in as well as how often he fails though.

For real criticism try Hales.
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Old 26th December 2015, 22:41   #132
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I must check whether jock is pro or anti compo. If he converts this to a ton then won't he have more test tons than hales, Taylor, bairstow and stokes from a fraction of the innings? Given his love of slating players for not achieving land marks this could be fun.
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God forbid this thread could be about cricket instead of one poster's campaigns.
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I must check whether jock is pro or anti compo. If he converts this to a ton then won't he have more test tons than hales, Taylor, bairstow and stokes from a fraction of the innings? Given his love of slating players for not achieving land marks this could be fun.
Compton did brilliantly today - he is a proper batsman batting properly. Tons and 5fers win test matches though son he has to bat on and on.
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Compton did brilliantly today - he is a proper batsman batting properly. Tons and 5fers win test matches though son he has to bat on and on.
Until he gets both a ton and a five for?
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Basically what Slogger said.

Although Compton's the not out batsman, I thought Taylor's innings was the more impressive and he looked more like the senior batsman.
Not surprising, is it? This was Compton's first England match since being dropped nearly three years ago. Taylor has established himself in the one-day team where he has put in some match-winning performances, as well as making his first test half-century in the recent tour of UAE. The questions about his lack of height which obscured everything else about his test debut in 2012 now sound ridiculous.

Compton was summarily dropped in 2013 after a run of poor scores which followed two centuries in NZ and a promising debut in India. He's worked on his game as a county cricketer but while repeating that he was hopeful of a recall, he may have privately been resigned to never playing for England again, and no doubt some fans were equally doubtful. Now he's got his chance. The last thing he would have wanted today would have been to get out early, and he made certain he didn't. He has everything to prove all over again. His stand with Taylor was crucial for the match situation and he acquitted himself very well indeed.

Or, as George Dobell puts it:

After a two-and-a-half year wait for a recall, Nick Compton was greeted by the world's No. 1 bowler on a murky day and responded with an innings of immense character and skill.
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Amazing how after the events of today, all the criticism is getting directed at Compton.

Can we at least wait until he has an extended run of bad form, or actively negatively impacts the result of a test match with his slow scoring before we try and blacklist him?
To be fair I haven't noticed much criticism on this board. A bit of faint praise perhaps.
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Until he gets both a ton and a five for?
Gets 200 we win the game.

Vital 20s are rarely that vital.
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Old 27th December 2015, 03:57   #139
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Compton brings to mind Trevor Bailey, whose "stubborn refusal to be out normally brought more pleasure to the team than to the spectators." (BBC obituary). Their test batting averages are similar, though of course the latter was an all-rounder. At Somerset Nick had a reputation for running his partners out but of course this wasn't evident yesterday.

He was dropped not only after a sequence of low scores but also a misjudged 'campaign' to promote Root as England opener. I hope that this time the pundits will have more patience, even a little encouragement.
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Stokes bats like Mitchell Johnson who had an identical dismissal in the ashes. Let's hope he becomes a bowler like him. Surely bairstow should bat 6?
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