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Old 1st July 2016, 18:53   #1
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England schedule 2017

The final madness of scheduling is here. Home schedule ends on September 29, 2 days before October. One could theoretically attend 7 matches in September.

2017 England schedule

One-day internationals:

5 May: England v Ireland, Bristol

7 May: England v Ireland, Lord's

24 May: England v South Africa, Headingley

27 May: England v South Africa, Southampton

29 May: England v South Africa, Lord's

Champions Trophy:

1-18 June

Twenty20 internationals:

21 June: England v South Africa, Southampton

23 June: England v South Africa, Taunton

25 June: England v South Africa, Cardiff

Test matches:

6-10 July: England v South Africa, Lord's

14-18 July: England v South Africa, Trent Bridge

27-31 July: England v South Africa, The Oval

4-8 August: England v South Africa, Old Trafford

17-21 August: England v West Indies, Edgbaston

25-29 August: England v West Indies, Headingley

7-11 September: England v West Indies, Lord's

Twenty20 international:

16 September: England v West Indies, Durham

One-day internationals:

19 September: England v West Indies, Old Trafford

21 September: England v West Indies, Trent Bridge

24 September: England v West Indies, Bristol

27 September: England v West Indies, The Oval

29 September: England v West Indies, Southampton
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Annoying that OT test clashes with my trip to the world athletics championships!
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Chronic schedule & number of matches. Why 5 ODIs v Windies in September, especially in Champions Trophy year? Absolute nuts. I do hope that some of England's best players are strategically rested from some of that.

Oh can I add that there has been an attack in the diplomatic quarters in Dhaka, Bangladesh with at least 20 people dying at the hands of Islamic militants. With this in mind, and that fact that Australia pulled out of there last autumn I think it's a safe bet that it is only India that England will tour to this winter.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news

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Chronic schedule & number of matches. Why 5 ODIs v Windies in September, especially in Champions Trophy year? Absolute nuts. I do hope that some of England's best players are strategically rested from some of that.
According to the Future Tours Programme, the West Indies one-dayers and t20 was originally supposed to be in May before the South Africa series.

Presumably there's been a re-think, for a variety of reasons (it would have been a massive amount of one-dayers ahead of the Champions Trophy, it would have meant the West Indies coming twice, and the games would have been absolutely horrible to sell in early May), but as the commitment has been made, particularly to the grounds, it has all been shifted into September.
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Chronic schedule & number of matches. Why 5 ODIs v Windies in September, especially in Champions Trophy year? Absolute nuts. I do hope that some of England's best players are strategically rested from some of that.

Oh can I add that there has been an attack in the diplomatic quarters in Dhaka, Bangladesh with at least 20 people dying at the hands of Islamic militants. With this in mind, and that fact that Australia pulled out of there last autumn I think it's a safe bet that it is only India that England will tour to this winter.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news
Yes, the situation in Bangladesh has been deteriorating for some time. The ECB already had very little interest in going so I'd be amazed if this goes ahead. The question is whether they'll try and play a pointless ODI series in Sri Lanka instead.
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Old 2nd July 2016, 16:00   #6
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Chronic schedule & number of matches. Why 5 ODIs v Windies in September, especially in Champions Trophy year? Absolute nuts. I do hope that some of England's best players are strategically rested from some of that.
I agree, that they chop and change between ODIs and Tests and T20Is is crazy enough, but with the Champions Trophy as well then surely playing all the ODIs up front and maybe trimming a few back would be sensible?

I'd suggest this trimming would have been more sensible :

2 ODIs vs IRE
3 ODIs vs SAF
2 T20Is vs SAF
Champions Trophy
3 ODIs vs WIN
1 T20I vs WIN
4 Tests vs SAF
2 Tests vs WIN

No change is black font, reduced by 1 is Orange and reduced by 2+ is red

If windies were that upset at losing a Test or a Test AND 2 ODIs then barter 1 less Test vs South Africa. That would be a lot more healthy, losing 1 Test, 2 ODIs and 1 T20I, if the ODIs vs windies could be put in before the Champions Trophy that would be good, I'd have to get my slide rule out to work out a way not to put the Champions Trophy back a bit, fit in the ODIs and not make the saffers wait until too late in the summer to play their T20Is.

I guess something like :

MAY

5-7 : 2 ODIs vs IRE
13-18 : 3 ODIs vs WIN
24-29 : 3 ODIs vs SAF

JUNE

1-18 : Champions Trophy (in England)
21-25 : 3 T20Is vs SAF

JULY-SEP

4 Tests vs SAF
2 Tests vs WIN

SEPTEMBER

16 : 1 T20I vs WIN

Perhaps make that 2 T20Is vs West Indies and run 16-18 September, but all ODIs in a sensible place/order/time, and as the windies have to come back after the Champions Trophy and South African tour of England is over doesn't make much chance one won't have to wait. Could even put the T20Is on the end of June so they won't be in wrong mindset for a different format ie already in one day mode.

I'm guessing windies have their own warm up for the Champions Trophy, but England can't play two sides at once and neither can they...

Is 8 ODIs in 24 days too much? Maybe a bit more than you'd want ideally, 7 in 24 perhaps a bit more ideal, but reckon my schedule looks better than their's and more logically ordered.
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According to the Future Tours Programme, the West Indies one-dayers and t20 was originally supposed to be in May before the South Africa series.

Presumably there's been a re-think, for a variety of reasons (it would have been a massive amount of one-dayers ahead of the Champions Trophy, it would have meant the West Indies coming twice, and the games would have been absolutely horrible to sell in early May), but as the commitment has been made, particularly to the grounds, it has all been shifted into September.
The windies are coming for the Champions Trophy surely?!? I considered the "coming twice" as a reason and obstacle, but if they come for the Champions Trophy then what are they doing between 18th June (assuming they get very far) and 17th August............? That's 2+ month.

Any ideas if the IPL is on, maybe their players are coming here for the Champions Trophy, jetting off to make some $$$$$, and then coming back...........

I hadn't read your post before I came up with my alternate schedule, would explain why there was the gap I filled
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The windies are coming for the Champions Trophy surely?!? I considered the "coming twice" as a reason and obstacle, but if they come for the Champions Trophy then what are they doing between 18th June (assuming they get very far) and 17th August............? That's 2+ month.

Any ideas if the IPL is on, maybe their players are coming here for the Champions Trophy, jetting off to make some $$$$$, and then coming back...........

I hadn't read your post before I came up with my alternate schedule, would explain why there was the gap I filled
West Indies didn't qualify.
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When England hosted the World Cup in 1975 - a competition of about the same length as next year's Champions Trophy - the only other series was 4 Tests against Australia.

It was plenty enough.

Well, times have of course changed, but whether for the better is open to discussion. Naturally the ECB can't possibly fund a centrally-contracted team, a centre of excellence, funding for counties to provide academies, money for grassroots cricket, infinitely better facilities for spectators, on a handful of games a year.

Whether that justifies a schedule of this magnitude is another matter. It seems there is no time for pause and reflection in the game any more - it's just straight on to the next match.

A particular issue is back-to-back Tests, something that was debated when first introduced (Michael Vaughan, then captain, was a strong opponent), but like everything else, simply forced through to accommodate the number of matches.

It's all fine and dandy if a Test finishes in 3 days, but if it goes to a full 5 of intense Test match cricket, how players can be expected to sufficiently rest and recover in 3 days is beyond me. That means effectively one day off, a day to travel on to the next venue, and the next day is 'preparation' for the following game.

As for allowing proper preparation for the tourists, with a decent number of tour matches, that was chucked in the bin years ago.

Less matches also allowed for something else - for county cricket to breathe. The pauses between international cricket were not just empty space - the domestic game then took centre stage. 1981 may be remembered as Botham's Ashes, but he also performed heroics for Somerset, including steering them to victory in the Benson and Hedges Cup final.

Joe Root has played 4 games in all competitions for Yorkshire since the start of the 2015 season.

However, this is now what we're stuck with and at least there's still a lot of things in cricket to be thankful for.
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Likewise when England hosted the World Cup in 1979 they only played 4 tests against India. This is mad.
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My coping strategy will be largely to ignore the bilateral ODI series.
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When England hosted the World Cup in 1975 - a competition of about the same length as next year's Champions Trophy - the only other series was 4 Tests against Australia.

It was plenty enough.

Well, times have of course changed, but whether for the better is open to discussion. Naturally the ECB can't possibly fund a centrally-contracted team, a centre of excellence, funding for counties to provide academies, money for grassroots cricket, infinitely better facilities for spectators, on a handful of games a year.

Whether that justifies a schedule of this magnitude is another matter. It seems there is no time for pause and reflection in the game any more - it's just straight on to the next match.

A particular issue is back-to-back Tests, something that was debated when first introduced (Michael Vaughan, then captain, was a strong opponent), but like everything else, simply forced through to accommodate the number of matches.

It's all fine and dandy if a Test finishes in 3 days, but if it goes to a full 5 of intense Test match cricket, how players can be expected to sufficiently rest and recover in 3 days is beyond me. That means effectively one day off, a day to travel on to the next venue, and the next day is 'preparation' for the following game.

As for allowing proper preparation for the tourists, with a decent number of tour matches, that was chucked in the bin years ago.

Less matches also allowed for something else - for county cricket to breathe. The pauses between international cricket were not just empty space - the domestic game then took centre stage. 1981 may be remembered as Botham's Ashes, but he also performed heroics for Somerset, including steering them to victory in the Benson and Hedges Cup final.

Joe Root has played 4 games in all competitions for Yorkshire since the start of the 2015 season.

However, this is now what we're stuck with and at least there's still a lot of things in cricket to be thankful for.
The biggest problem is Sky wanting their pound of flesh. 7 test matches it always pretty much is per home summer, let alone a few too many ODIs.
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If England finish on September 29th, when is the county season likely to finish?
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If England finish on September 29th, when is the county season likely to finish?
I too was wondering about this.

It ended on the 27th in 2008, 2009 and 2013.

So on one hand it could also end around the 29th September, but it wouldn't make any difference if it ended the week before, although afaik it would be the first time that the international season would have continued beyond the domestic season.

Also there is the new set-up to consider. I imagine it may well come down to how many Championship rounds are slated to take place in September. If it's 4, then it would need to go on into that week anyway.
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Didn't they play an ODI in October in 2005?

Edit: no they didn't. Sure there was a season the internationals went on stupidly long.
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The biggest problem is Sky wanting their pound of flesh. 7 test matches it always pretty much is per home summer, let alone a few too many ODIs.
Oh, I appreciate that, but with the Champignons Trophy squeezed in you'd think a Test and ODI shorn off here or there wouldn't deny them any /cricket to show.

Is there any way the schedule can be reduced and the kind of changes mooted in terms of proper Test championship structure and maybe even tiers can happen if they want their pound of flesh?!?!

In TV terms aren't England one of the geese that lays a golden egg? I would certainly be interested to see the gate receipts, money TV makes etc for England ODIs, England Tests, (vs) other ODIs and other Tests to see how say 3 ODIs weigh up in terms of income against 1 Test, and comparison of England vs not England.

I think more triangular and quadrangular ODI tournaments would bring in more money and raise interest, do less series between two nations. Some of the tour series shall we call them are over in terms of a contest before they play the last match.

In tournaments there tend not to be too many dead rubbers, would be good to have say one involving Ireland, S.Africa, England and West Indies as warm up and it's very different to series as you can afford to lose matches in a series whereas in knockout (type) format you can't as you'd be out.
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I think more triangular and quadrangular ODI tournaments would bring in more money and raise interest, do less series between two nations. Some of the tour series shall we call them are over in terms of a contest before they play the last match.

In tournaments there tend not to be too many dead rubbers, would be good to have say one involving Ireland, S.Africa, England and West Indies as warm up and it's very different to series as you can afford to lose matches in a series whereas in knockout (type) format you can't as you'd be out.
I agree, but I think the ECB prefer to play safe with the series format. The problem from their point of view is that with a tournament as you describe you have to play games such as S Africa v West Indies in a near-empty ground, and as you say, teams get knocked out, and if that is England, an empty ground for the final.

It's much easier to have a nice and tidy 5 match series, where even if it is a dead rubber as with Sri Lanka, people have bought tickets for their day out dressed as a banana and to drink 10 pints months in advance. Frankly they couldn't care less whether the series is at stake, but nor could those who want to watch the cricket, they just want an "England cricket" day out.
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Hopefully many of England's key players will be allowed to, too!
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Nothing but Test Matches all July and August. ODIs and T20 pushed to the start and end of Summer. The more I look at it the more I like it.
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I agree, but I think the ECB prefer to play safe with the series format. The problem from their point of view is that with a tournament as you describe you have to play games such as S Africa v West Indies in a near-empty ground, and as you say, teams get knocked out, and if that is England, an empty ground for the final.

It's much easier to have a nice and tidy 5 match series, where even if it is a dead rubber as with Sri Lanka, people have bought tickets for their day out dressed as a banana and to drink 10 pints months in advance. Frankly they couldn't care less whether the series is at stake, but nor could those who want to watch the cricket, they just want an "England cricket" day out.
For a moment I thought you'd created a new form of imperial unit - the pint month, then I read the sentence again.
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