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Old 5th January 2008, 14:24   #181
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Must be time to give O'Brien a go.
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Old 16th January 2009, 00:01   #182
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Debuts from 2000

Tests 41
Schofield (601), Hoggard, Trescothick, Sidebottom, Ward, Afzaal, Ormond, Dawson, Foster, Jones, Harmison, Key, Anderson, MGrath, Johnson, Kirtley, Smith, Ali, Batty, Clarke, Saggers, Collingwood, Jones, Strauss, Bell, Pietersen, Udal, Plunkett, Blackwell, Cook, Panesar, Shah, Mahmood, Lewis, Prior, Tremlett, Bopara, Broad, Ambrose, Pattinson, Swann (641).

ODIs - 50
Trescothick (158), Franks, Grayson, Vaughan, Collingwood, Shah, Foster, Hoggard, Kirtley, Snape, Sidebottom, Tudor, Blackwell, Batty, Anderson, Harmison, Clarke, McGrath, Troughton, Johnson, Key, Ali, Strauss, GJones, Mahmood, Wharf, Bell, Pietersen, SJones, Prior, Lewis, Tremlett, Plunkett, Chapple, Dalrymple, Joyce, Bresnan, Loudon, Cook, Broad, Yardy, Nixon, Panesar, Loye, Bopara, Mascarenhas, Wright, Mustard, Ambrose, Patel (207)


Ward, Ed Smith and Johnson are the only retired Tests players. Trescothick, Grayson, Snape, Johnson and Loudon have retired from ODIs. Some players never got more than a game or two and will feel had they had a longer run they might have done well.

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However it took 10-15 Tests for him to really come to grips with the length he needs to bowl and the sustained pace he needs to exert.

He has matured swiftly in demanding times. But it is easier for a new bowler to learn while guided by experienced players against lesser teams.
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Well Swann was the last debutante. The only uncapped player going to the West Indies is Rashid. He could be the next.
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Old 16th January 2009, 00:28   #183
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Nobody's exactly battering the door down, which is worrying.
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Old 16th January 2009, 00:46   #184
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Worrying that leftfield Patto occurred before Swann.
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Old 16th January 2009, 00:57   #185
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Worrying that leftfield Patto occurred before Swann.
His first name is Darren, not leftfield.
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Old 16th January 2009, 00:58   #186
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His first name is Darren, not leftfield.
That'd be G. Boycott's fault. My bad for listening to the boy...
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Old 16th January 2009, 01:16   #187
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Nobody's exactly battering the door down, which is worrying.
Even if they were would the selectors be listening. The most likely place they would come from would be the Lions team. Are they the best 15 cricketers in the country, were they the best in 2008?

Wright 36.52
Key 38.25
Batty 34 at 30.64
Bopara 54.60
Davies 41.55
Davies 41 at 14.63
Denley 30.16
Khan 21 at 20.61
Mahmood 35 at 32.77
Morgan 49.31
Patel 51.42
Plunkett 16 at 32.50
Trott 62.00
Ambrose 31.25
Moore 55.80
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Snell 47.20 (wk)
RWhite 49.38
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Read 45.37
Ali 59 at 18.74
Wagg 59 at 26.98
Woakes 45 at 20.48
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Old 16th January 2009, 08:58   #188
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Once again FBU lovely job with the stats. The big problem is where are the young quicks coming from, where going with Mahmood, who two years down the line has been injured or not bowled consistently well enough to be regarded as a serious choice or Khan, talented no doubt but 28 years old and spent most of the last two years injured as well. It needs real pace to win matches and Fletcher, love him or loathe him was more right on that aspect than he was on anything else.
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Old 16th January 2009, 17:38   #189
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Once again FBU lovely job with the stats. The big problem is where are the young quicks coming from, where going with Mahmood, who two years down the line has been injured or not bowled consistently well enough to be regarded as a serious choice or Khan, talented no doubt but 28 years old and spent most of the last two years injured as well. It needs real pace to win matches and Fletcher, love him or loathe him was more right on that aspect than he was on anything else.
Thanks. The quicks will be Meaker from Surrey and Footitt from Notts if they can stay injury free and they can play for their counties all the season but both are short and they should be also looking for a tall fast bowler as welll who gets bounce. Meaker has been recorded as bowling the fastest ball at the Academy at Loughborough and is only 19. Finn will get quicker but also needs a whole season more I would think maybe in the next eighteen months they might get their chances if there are injuries.

Mahmood has only had two injuries that I have known about in the last few years, his groin and his side. Newby from Lancs is more likely to go ahead of Mahmood and coming up quickly is the tall Cheetham so if he doesn't watch out he will fade away. He has never played a full season for Lancs and needs to be fit enough to bowl for the full season even if it isn't at full pace.

I can't understand bowlers who bowl a good ball and then try something different the next ball rather than bowling exactly the same ball. It could be a case of trying to get batsmen out rather than letting them get themselves out. Bowlers like Davies and Woakes are very good at being patient and have very good economy rates.

I definitely think the next bowler in will be Khan if he doesn't break down again. Pietersen seemed to like his bowling and I wonder if he wasn't a player who Pietersen wanted to take to the West Indies. It might not have only been Vaughan's omission that Pietersen wasn't happy with.
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Footitt will never play a full season at Notts. Frustratingly, he'll be lucky to get involved in the rotation system which Newell uses to keep the seamers fresh. Needs to move on, and I take no pleasure in saying that.
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Footitt will never play a full season at Notts. Frustratingly, he'll be lucky to get involved in the rotation system which Newell uses to keep the seamers fresh. Needs to move on, and I take no pleasure in saying that.
You're right shakattak. I wasn't thinking.
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You're right shakattak. I wasn't thinking.
Hopefully, if we're not going to play him (and I'd like to think we offered him a new contract for a reason), we'll at least loan him to someone so he can get some cricket.
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Old 17th January 2009, 02:02   #193
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Hopefully, if we're not going to play him (and I'd like to think we offered him a new contract for a reason), we'll at least loan him to someone so he can get some cricket.
I remember when he made his first class debut. Read was on 12 when he walked in at number 11 and he stayed around long enough for Read to reach his 100. He was at the crease for one and a half hours.

He should have been on that ECB tour to Florida.

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"I am now fitter than I have ever been at any time in my life," he said.

He returned to England on 22 December after spending a month out in Florida with several other promising young pacemen as part of the ECB Elite Fast Bowler Development Programme.

"My Florida experience was really worthwhile. We were training three times a day and I really can see the benefits of training like an elite athlete for a month," he said.

"It was pretty tough out there and we started each day at 7am with a pre-breakfast session. We did a further two hours before lunch and two more during the afternoon.

"It was a good mix of weights, speed and agility so with the facilities and the climate it provided for everything we needed and I feel very much better for it.

"We didn't do any bowling out in Florida because it was just to get us fit, which it certainly did. The aim was to get us to our peak fitness after the months training."
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If you are looking for a quick bowler from Notts to make a breakthrough then Andy Carter could be the fella. Has real pace and a 12 month contract to impress...... How in hell he gets in the 1st team i'll never know though.
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My money is on Rashid making the test team in the Windies. Hes bigging up his all rounder qualifications on the Beeb. With neither of the other spinners one hundred percent secure, he will defo be in the mix. Get him ready now then unleash him on the Aussies.
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My money is on Rashid making the test team in the Windies. Hes bigging up his all rounder qualifications on the Beeb. With neither of the other spinners one hundred percent secure, he will defo be in the mix. Get him ready now then unleash him on the Aussies.
I must admit I'm intrigued at the prospect of Rashid making his debut but the problem goes back to whether or not he bowls too many 4 balls. A spinner of any real pedigree tends to pick up wickets against WI, but then again I'd expect Monty to take a few even with his 59mph darts. Perhaps selector Giles has been trying to teach Monty how to do this to perfection.
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I'm not sure where Rashid fits in, if you consider what is fixed... (the players in bold aren't under threat of losing their place - as far as I can see)

Cook
Strauss

Bell
Pietersen
Collingwood
Flintoff
Prior

Broad
Anderson
Swann
Panesar

Of the above, Bell may be squeezed out by Shah - someone deserves a chance to shake up the batting order, but then again, it might not happen.

Two spinners will not play; or at least it would be a staggering decision on a WI pitch, especially when Harmison is available given his last visit here. So the only spot up for grabs is the one spinning role, and will both Panesar's and Swann's performances be considered so inadequate that both will be ignored for Rashid?

It would be a bold decision if so - more bold than recalling Colly immediately last summer, but less bold than say, Darren Pattinson.
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Who will be the next Test debut for England?
It's looking like Rashid. The time is probably about right. Good luck to him, but if he holds down a place, we'll miss him at Yorkshire.
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Two spinners will not play; or at least it would be a staggering decision on a WI pitch, especially when Harmison is available given his last visit here. So the only spot up for grabs is the one spinning role, and will both Panesar's and Swann's performances be considered so inadequate that both will be ignored for Rashid?
As one of the Windies fans have pointed out spinners are dominating the domestic game at the moment and it's a well established fact that the pitches are becoming much like those found in the subcontinent these days.

I don't think they will go with two spinners but I do really like the balance of the team below, especially if Harmison can be persuaded to pull his finger out. If not Anderson or, more likely, Broad can take his place.

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What has Sibo done to get back in the team?
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