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Old 3rd December 2007, 19:32   #61
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614 A McGrath England v Zimbabwe at Lord's, 2003
615 RL Johnson England v Zimbabwe at Chester-le-Street, 2003
616 RJ Kirtley England v South Africa at Nottingham, 2003
617 ET Smith England v South Africa at Nottingham, 2003
618 Kabir Ali England v South Africa at Leeds, 2003
619 GJ Batty Bangladesh v England at Dhaka, 2003/04
620 R Clarke Bangladesh v England at Dhaka, 2003/04
621 MJ Saggers Bangladesh v England at Chittagong (MAA), 2003/04

t'was a golden few months in English cricketing history
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Old 3rd December 2007, 20:33   #62
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614 A McGrath England v Zimbabwe at Lord's, 2003
615 RL Johnson England v Zimbabwe at Chester-le-Street, 2003
616 RJ Kirtley England v South Africa at Nottingham, 2003
617 ET Smith England v South Africa at Nottingham, 2003
618 Kabir Ali England v South Africa at Leeds, 2003
619 GJ Batty Bangladesh v England at Dhaka, 2003/04
620 R Clarke Bangladesh v England at Dhaka, 2003/04
621 MJ Saggers Bangladesh v England at Chittagong (MAA), 2003/04

t'was a golden few months in English cricketing history
Holy mother of God that's a shocking run. I've seen the list before a few times but never quite picked out that series of disasters. In fairness, some of them actually have reasonably decent records although looking at the sides they played explains why.
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Old 3rd December 2007, 21:24   #63
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Given Fletcher's famous ability to spot talent there are an awful lot of test rejects in that list.
Had to laugh... you couldn't resist the opportunity, could you Michelle?
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Had to laugh... you couldn't resist the opportunity, could you Michelle?
It did rather shout out at me.
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Old 3rd December 2007, 22:28   #65
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614 A McGrath England v Zimbabwe at Lord's, 2003
615 RL Johnson England v Zimbabwe at Chester-le-Street, 2003
616 RJ Kirtley England v South Africa at Nottingham, 2003
617 ET Smith England v South Africa at Nottingham, 2003
618 Kabir Ali England v South Africa at Leeds, 2003
619 GJ Batty Bangladesh v England at Dhaka, 2003/04
620 R Clarke Bangladesh v England at Dhaka, 2003/04
621 MJ Saggers Bangladesh v England at Chittagong (MAA), 2003/04
McGrath - 4 tests
Johnson - 3 tests
Kirtley - 4 tests
Smith - 3 tests
Ali - 1 test
Batty - 7 tests
Clarke - 2 tests
Saggers - 3 tests
Total - 27 which by coincidence is the same number of caps Paul Collingwood has now and he was player 622.
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Old 3rd December 2007, 22:32   #66
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Steven Lynch, retire now!

I predict that the next England debutant will be Graeme Swann. I appreciate that this is a big shout, but I'm quietly confident.

(Cue Stuart Broad...)
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McGrath - 4 tests
Johnson - 3 tests
Kirtley - 4 tests
Smith - 3 tests
Ali - 1 test
Batty - 7 tests
Clarke - 2 tests
Saggers - 3 tests
Total - 27 which by coincidence is the same number of caps Paul Collingwood has now and he was player 622.
The odd thing is that Batty was far more clearly lacking test class than any of those other (pretty much) dead beat losers and yet played comfortably the most tests. No further illustration is needed of just how short of spinning resources England has been.
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...and the classiest player only had one test, took five wickets, and but for monde zondeki playing the flukiest innings of all-time would have finished on the winning side
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...and the classiest player only had one test, took five wickets, and but for monde zondeki playing the flukiest innings of all-time would have finished on the winning side
And already has played too many ODIs!
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Anderson is missing from that list. He debuted in the same game as McGrath. In fact, McGrath has vastly more impressive test stats: 40.2 with the bat; 4 wickets at 14 with the ball.

Johnson has 16 wickets at 17.2.

Kirtley has 19 at 29.5.

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he has a pretty decent average/strike-rate, you know! A couple of high-profile failures doth not a man make.
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...and the classiest player only had one test, took five wickets, and but for monde zondeki playing the flukiest innings of all-time would have finished on the winning side
Not that close in the end but it was a crucial stand.
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he has a pretty decent average/strike-rate, you know! A couple of high-profile failures doth not a man make.
Average 34.1, economy 6.1 so his strike rate isn't that bad but hardly makes up for a modest average and a hideous economy.
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Not that close in the end but it was a crucial stand.
look i saw that match and england were steamrollering sa until zondeki came in scored about 95% of his runs to fine third-man and played and missed around 30 times while gary kirsten did what gary kirsten does and bored the living ***** out of the england attack. initiative = lost.
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Anderson is missing from that list. He debuted in the same game as McGrath. In fact, McGrath has vastly more impressive test stats: 40.2 with the bat; 4 wickets at 14 with the ball.

Johnson has 16 wickets at 17.2.

Kirtley has 19 at 29. 5.

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I missed out Anderson because he was one of the success stories of the debs of 2003. However he hasn't quite played the same number of tests as the rest put together however had Gareth Batty not played he'd have done ok!
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I missed out Anderson because he was one of the success stories of the debs of 2003. However he hasn't quite played the same number of tests as the rest put together however had Gareth Batty not played he'd have done ok!
Had Batty not played the world would have been a better place. Anyway, you don't need to justify your analysis, it was sharky's list. Still, with his current bowling average, Anderson may belong in that list after all.
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What is wrong with an average of 11 for a number 10? Tuffers would have been proud to have that as an average!
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He ain't yr pretty boy any more, Maggie. He's a man. He's a number 10 now.

EDIT: oh wait, you said no.10. Sorry. I was thrown by 'Tuffers'.

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look i saw that match and england were steamrollering sa until zondeki came in scored about 95% of his runs to fine third-man and played and missed around 30 times while gary kirsten did what gary kirsten does and bored the living ***** out of the england attack. initiative = lost.
Hence my describing it as a crucial stand. It was the worst innings I've ever seen. It was made even worse than it might have been by his astonishing failure to do the decent thing and bloody well get out. He regularly played and missed two or three times in an over. It was genius, really. You couldn't do it if you tried.
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