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Old 9th December 2007, 09:47   #141
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And you second guessed that one perfectly!
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Old 9th December 2007, 18:58   #142
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Congratulations to Broad.

Nice that Botham was invited into the England dressing room to give Bopara and Broad their caps. While Fletcher was in charge he never got anywhere near it.

I guess Broad will get the new ball. It would put some pressure on Harmison if he was to take it and he prefers to come on first change. Gibson could always be a fielding substitute at mid on.

Swann must be dying to get a game. So Harmison and Broad will be competing here to see which one plays in the 3rd Test unless Hoggard makes a miracle recovery. If Hoggard is the sub fielder we can assume his back is getting better.
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Old 9th December 2007, 19:04   #143
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Nice that Botham was invited into the England dressing room to give Bopara and Broad their caps. While Fletcher was in charge he never got anywhere near it.
...apart from when he was taking the players drinking, of course
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Old 9th December 2007, 19:16   #144
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...apart from when he was taking the players drinking, of course
even then I don't think he went anywhere near. They probably met down some darkly lit side street. Fletcher was most aggrieved that Botham didn't even shake his hand when he announced his retirement. Botham didn't even react to Fletcher's comments about him in the book.
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Old 9th December 2007, 19:18   #145
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So now that Broad has answered the question, does this thread move on to the next candidate?
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Old 9th December 2007, 19:21   #146
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So now that Broad has answered the question, does this thread move on to the next candidate?
It's got to be Swann. I can't see Mustard ever making a Test debut.
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Old 9th December 2007, 19:23   #147
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It's got to be Swann. I can't see Mustard ever making a Test debut.
He would have to if Prior gets injured.
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Old 9th December 2007, 20:02   #148
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So now that Broad has answered the question, does this thread move on to the next candidate?
Why not Let's assume Swann isn't picked for the next game. He'll probably be in the NZ squad as back-up, but unlikely to play unless Monty gets injured. That doesn't leave a lot of candidates. Many of the obvious ones when this thread was started (Tremlett, Bopara, Broad) have now been capped. We've got experienced (if not proven) cover in all the departments now, and no-one is on the cusp of retirement.

If we need an opener, Denly could be in the running, but there's Strauss ready to step back in, along with Key if he continues his good form. In the middle order, there's Shah patiently waiting to increase his Test count. After him, there's....James Hildreth, maybe? Both he and Samit Patel will have a chance to demonstrate their worth in Div 1 next year. Ed Joyce had a poor run, and seems to have fallen off the radar, but if he returns to form I suppose he could come into contention too. Trott too

Keepers are a possibility, with Mustard, Davies and Ambrose in the running. The spinners spot would also presumably fall to a debutant if there was ever a need to replace Monty - the might of Swann battling with Tredwell and Rashid for that honour...unless a recall for Schofield occurs (surely that's the first sign of an oncoming apocalypse, though?) In both this department, and with the keeper, it depends wholly on the continued fitness and form of just one guy - with luck Prior and Monty will keep their places for a while yet.

In the pace department, there's now a surfeit of options, which may or may not be run through before a debutant comes into the frame. Harmy, Hoggy, Broad, Sibo, Anderson and Tremlett. Outside of this group.....Graham Onions face stays in the frame despite mediocre county returns, as does Bresnan's. Neither have the look of international bowlers in this stage of their careers, but there isn't really anyone else. Kabir Ali? (who's recall must also be a sign of impending doom)

My pick for next debutant is....I actually I have no idea. Any of those I've named are equally as likely to get a look-in. Is there someone obvious I've missed?
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If Swann doesn't play in Galle then Rashid would be near the top of my list. In the batting department we have Strauss and Shah in the wings and should we need a player to fill in for one game at home there is always Tres. In the pace bowling ranks I don't see that Onions is any more likely to get a debut than Plunkett and Mahmood are to get a recall.

Prior may well get a decent run in the team if he does well in the winter so Rashid would be my best guess.
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In the pace bowling ranks I don't see that Onions is any more likely to get a debut than Plunkett and Mahmood are to get a recall.
Forgot those two. Makes Onions and Bresnan very outside bets
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Old 9th December 2007, 20:17   #151
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By my reckoning 1953 was the last calender year were their wasn't a debutant and 1970 was the last summer where their wasn't an English debutant in a test match in England.
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Bowlers are more likely to make debuts as they are more injuries but we do have some spare ones who have already made their debuts.

Players that might have a chance of a debut in the next year -

Batsmen - Hildreth, Joyce, Carberry

Wicketkeepers - Ambrose

Spinners - Tredwell

All Rounders - no one, we will go for bowlers who can bat a little or batsmen that can bowl a bit. As an all rounder they should be good enough to play as a batsman or bowler only, to be called one.

Fast bowlers - Finn, Khan
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The question has indeed become very open again. When it was initially asked I went for Broad on the basis that there was enough batting cover; that batsmen get injured less than bowlers and that Broad was a very clear future selection. Of course, Flintoff didn't recover, Strauss didn't recover form and Bopara edged aside Shah.

Similar considerations apply now. As Rey quite sensibly says, there's a glut of batting options and it's hard to see anyone getting in from outside. Denly is a possibility but I can only see a specialist opener getting in if Strauss remains awful and one of Vaughan or Cook gets injured. Even then Key might come back or Bell move up with Shah getting a middle order berth. There is a similarly long list of bowling reserves already capped. Venturing beyond them seems unlikely. Even if Anderson and Harmison get consigned to the scrap heap after this series, which seems a bit extreme, that still leaves Tremlett, Plunkett and Mahmood plus the remainder of the current squad. I doubt either Panesar or Prior will be displaced by a better alternative any time soon, although Prior is the more vulnerable of the two. Either might get injured but generally keepers and spinners are less injury prone than fast bowlers. Like Rey, I have no idea who will get in. In fact, I could just have quoted Rey's post and said I agree.
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...1970 was the last summer where there wasn't an English debutant in a test match in England.
(I was born instead)
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Nice that Botham was invited into the England dressing room to give Bopara and Broad their caps. While Fletcher was in charge he never got anywhere near it.
Blimey - I hope that doesn't mean they think he'll get the chief selector's job - he'd be changing his mind every 5 minutes!
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If Swann doesn't play in Galle then Rashid would be near the top of my list. In the batting department we have Strauss and Shah in the wings and should we need a player to fill in for one game at home there is always Tres. In the pace bowling ranks I don't see that Onions is any more likely to get a debut than Plunkett and Mahmood are to get a recall.

Prior may well get a decent run in the team if he does well in the winter so Rashid would be my best guess.
Rashid would be my tip too. If Swann was going to play in SL, he would have played in this match.
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Rashid would be my tip too. If Swann was going to play in SL, he would have played in this match.
That's probably true but there won't be a slot for a spinner for a good while unless Panesar gets injured or loses form badly. I don't think Rashid is likely to offer enough with the ball to make the side ahead of Monty nor would there be much need for two spinners in the side in NZ or for next summer. I suppose he might play as an all rounder but I don't really see it.
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That's probably true but there won't be a slot for a spinner for a good while unless Panesar gets injured or loses form badly. I don't think Rashid is likely to offer enough with the ball to make the side ahead of Monty nor would there be much need for two spinners in the side in NZ or for next summer. I suppose he might play as an all rounder but I don't really see it.
That's the crux of it, to be honest I don't see any names leaping out for caps next summer and I doubt anybody will be capped in 2008 unless injuries force the issue. Certainly, I don't see a case for any of the batsmen and definitely not from the ranks of the pacemen. Another keeper could be tried but I don't see it happening. Rashid is about the only player who might possibly improve the team and it would probably be as an all rounder.
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That's the crux of it, to be honest I don't see any names leaping out for caps next summer and I doubt anybody will be capped in 2008 unless injuries force the issue. Certainly, I don't see a case for any of the batsmen and definitely not from the ranks of the pacemen. Another keeper could be tried but I don't see it happening. Rashid is about the only player who might possibly improve the team and it would probably be as an all rounder.
I agree in doubting that Prior will make way. He's produced another good innings today and might well have scored a ton if Harmison hadn't let him down, even if he wasn't exactly obliged to slog Murali. I also agree about the pace bowlers and batsmen. The thing is that Rashid's bowling simply hasn't been good enough to force his inclusion as an all rounder. His CC performances in the last season were stronger with the bat and he's not going to come in as a batsman. I think there was a far stronger case for him on this Sri Lankan tour than there will be back in Blighty, where the additional spin option doesn't offer nearly as much utility.
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Rashid would be my tip too. If Swann was going to play in SL, he would have played in this match.
I'd think he's bound to play in the third test.
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