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Old 10th December 2007, 20:18   #161
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Rashid would be my tip too. If Swann was going to play in SL, he would have played in this match.
Apparently this wicket bounces. Galle spins. Apparently...
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Old 19th December 2007, 23:39   #162
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Well it wasn't Swann after all. I am sure he would have like to have had a bowl in Sri Lanka. I don't think he has to worry as he is first choice spinner in ODIs.

They will probably take him to New Zealand for the Test as a reserve spinner and it could be years before he makes his debut if at all.

The next debutante could be a wicketkeeper.
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Old 19th December 2007, 23:46   #163
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Well it wasn't Swann after all. I am sure he would have like to have had a bowl in Sri Lanka. I don't think he has to worry as he is first choice spinner in ODIs.

They will probably take him to New Zealand for the Test as a reserve spinner and it could be years before he makes his debut if at all.

The next debutante could be a wicketkeeper.
If it's Phil Mustard I'll shoot myself.
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Old 19th December 2007, 23:51   #164
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i reckon it will be adil rashid,but it maybe to early for him.imo.
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Old 19th December 2007, 23:58   #165
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Far too early for Rashid who was probably better with the bat than the ball last season. He needs another season in County Cricket. It's a shame because we are desperately short of bowling quality at the moment, but the stocks are pretty dry if we have to talk about lads like Rashid and to a lesser extent Harris.
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Old 20th December 2007, 00:02   #166
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If it's Phil Mustard I'll shoot myself.
It would seem more logical, if perhaps a little harsh, to shoot him instead.
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Old 20th December 2007, 00:22   #167
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He (Rashid) has a first class bowling average of 36.43 ...and he hasn't impressed too much in the couple of games he's toured in.

I wonder if his new action hasn't worked for him.
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Old 20th December 2007, 00:54   #168
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He (Rashid) has a first class bowling average of 36.43 ...and he hasn't impressed too much in the couple of games he's toured in.

I wonder if his new action hasn't worked for him.
It looked very good early season but he faded away with the ball, even as he impressed more and more with the bat. At present he's unlikely to be picked because unless he's pushing selection purely as a specialist batsman (and he's good but nowhere near that good), his bowling really wouldn't justify a slot as a bowler. He could be picked as an all rounder as a bit of a gamble, much as I was suggesting before Swann got the nod for the ODIs in Sri Lanka and did well enough to make the test tour. The problem is that taking that gamble anywhere not expected to offer a good deal to the spinner seems ill judged. Slightly below test class leg spinners are a liability internationally because they just bowl too many bad balls and relieve pressure.
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Old 20th December 2007, 01:04   #169
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If it's Phil Mustard I'll shoot myself.
It's amazing how he managed to get ahead of more talented keepers coming from nowhere. Hasn't even been on a A tour.

39.75 - Pothas
38.45 - Hodd
34.93 - Foster
34.87 -Ambrose
34.86 - Davies
33.96 - Batty
33.71 - Nixon
32.82 - Sutton
32.60 - Read
31.62 - Brophy
30.94 - Jones
30.72 - Adshead
29.56 - OBrien
29.00 - Kieswetter
27.42 - Wallace
27.36 - Mustard
26.30 - Scott
25.31 - Pipe
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Old 20th December 2007, 08:12   #170
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Plays for Durham. It seems most English Durham players get a look in (apart from Davies)
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Old 20th December 2007, 08:36   #171
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Plays for Durham. It seems most English Durham players get a look in (apart from Davies)
Davies didn't play all that much last season though did he? Joe Denly for next England debutant, in fact lets just get a whole new top six in and bring back Gough!
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When it comes to batsmen I think Hildreth will be next.
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Old 20th December 2007, 10:45   #173
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If it's Phil Mustard I'll shoot myself.
I'm really not sure he'd be any worse than Prior.
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I'm really not sure he'd be any worse than Prior.
He wouldn't score anything like the number of runs.
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He wouldn't score anything like the number of runs.
But might save those 1000 runs Willis is still claiming that Prior has given away.
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39.75 - Pothas
38.45 - Hodd
38.37 - Prior
34.93 - Foster
34.87 -Ambrose
34.86 - Davies
33.96 - Batty
33.71 - Nixon
32.82 - Sutton
32.60 - Read
31.62 - Brophy
30.94 - Jones
30.72 - Adshead
29.56 - OBrien
29.00 - Kieswetter
27.42 - Wallace
27.36 - Mustard
26.30 - Scott
25.31 - Pipe

According to Agnew it was very close between Ambrose and Foster. So Mustard gets the reserve spot.

So next debutante should be one of these two.

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Ambrose had an average of 43 in first-class matches last season but the best batting average among 'keepers was achieved by the man judged universally as the best gloveman, Chris Read who scored more than 1,000 runs at above 50. Graveney conceded that they had taken into account Read's participation in the breakaway Indian Cricket League in November which was frowned upon by the England and Wales Cricket Board.

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An excuse to

a) Not include him in the squad

OR

b) Not tell him he's got no chance of ever succeeding as a batsman in test cricket and hurt his feelings.
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I think Read knows he's never going to get back in. He probably wouldn't have joined the ICL if he still thought he had a realistic chance of playing for England again. He decided not to die wondering and instead took practical steps to ensure financial security for himself and his family.

It's true that the ECB had said that joining the ICL could affect chances of playing for England, but if a player they needed in the team had gone the edict would have been ignored. In the case of Read, however, it's predictable that Graveney would mention it as being one of the factors while at the same time backpeddling that it wouldn't necessarily have stood in his way.

Given that it has become apparent that Michael Vaughan wanted rid of Read just as much as Fletcher did in 2004, I would think that Read has absolutely no chance while Vaughan continues as captain. Read's time has gone, and we must all accept it.
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And I could add that in the meantime, Read is probably coming into the best time of his life as a cricketer, with good reports of his ICL tournament,held in high regard by his county, and awarded the captaincy for 2008. Plus, as long as he doesn't get selected for England, he will continue to be hailed as the wicket-keeper England should have had.
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From the interviews I have read about the situation Read still thinks if he does well with the bat in the CC he has a chance of being picked.
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Before I signed I spoke to Mick Newell to gauge what Notts' opinion of it was and I spoke to the PCA for legal advice on how things were likely to pan out. Having been reassured I was happy to go. Ultimately, for the English guys there, we're out of season, out of contract and we're pretty much free to seek employment in anything we want to do.

I signed before the ECB put out a statement saying selection for England could be 'jeopardised' for players joining the ICL and obviously it does go through your mind. But, having said that, if England are looking for a wicketkeeper batter and I'm the No 1 candidate I don't see why they wouldn't pick me.

I've always believed that to have a chance of playing for England you have do well in your day job and I still do, to a certain extent. I have had my best season yet with the bat last season and obviously I haven't been picked but I have new challenges ahead with Notts.

If I can continue to improve maybe I won't be far away from the selectors thoughts. I like to think selection is based on on your form day in and day out and not based on other motives.
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