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Old 6th August 2007, 19:20   #121
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The funny thing is, I read the hard copy originally, and I could have sworn that Selvey was cited with the byeline, but when I looked on line, it was attributed to Marks.
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Old 6th August 2007, 19:26   #122
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Bell has now played six consecutive innings without a fifty. Before that, the most was four, on two occasions: the first two matches in Ashes 05 and the last two matches in the same series, separated by two half-centuries in the Old Trafford test match.

In contrast, Paul Collingwood, for example, played his first 8 test innings with a top score of 36 - before making 96 80 and 134* in his next 3 innings. Since then he has frequently had runs of low scores in between big ones, as many as six and seven on occasion.

Indifferently as Bell is playing at the moment - although it is true to say he has looked in cracking form then somehow got out - It's surely a bit premature to say it's "sink or swim time" on the strength of six consecutive low scores when he still has an average in the forties and there could be a big score around the corner. My previous post about Strauss made the point that he has been in poor form and had the opportunity to make a big score and prove the doubters wrong. He failed to take that opportunity with both hands, and I hope that Bell won't make that mistake.

Unfortunately if a place has to be made for Flintoff in the winter I guess the person to go will have to be the one not contributing at the time, and that is Bell. I hope that they will stick with four bowlers and six batsmen, but if not I really hope that it doesn't mean the end of Bell's test career.
I should clarify:

I meant not that he should be discarded immediately but that it is the perfect opportunity to "prove the doubters wrong", as you say.

True, Bell hasn't made a fifty in six innings, but interestingly enough, neither has Cook. (I'm not declaring this a contest by the way) Both have issues to resolve - technical issues in Cook's case - and I'm confident both will do just that.
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Old 6th August 2007, 19:33   #123
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True, Bell hasn't made a fifty in six innings, but interestingly enough, neither has Cook. (I'm not declaring this a contest by the way) Both have issues to resolve - technical issues in Cook's case - and I'm confident both will do just that.
I never thought of Cook as a comparator - but while he's not made a 50 he has at least got 30s and 40s. Just shows how people make assumptions based on perception rather than facts. Cook looks very settled despite his lbw problems. Also he is in a specialist opening position.
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Old 6th August 2007, 23:29   #124
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I hope that they will stick with four bowlers and six batsmen, but if not I really hope that it doesn't mean the end of Bell's test career.
It's way too early for talk like that. Even if Bell bags a pair at the Oval and is dropped for Sri Lanka he'll be back. He is only 25 after all.
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Old 8th August 2007, 08:41   #125
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Old 8th August 2007, 08:54   #126
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Old 8th August 2007, 09:23   #127
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Speaking to Geoff Cook today they may released Mark Wood from Durham. He rates him but the kid has had an operation and maybe one too many bowlers on the books type deal.
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Old 8th August 2007, 14:15   #129
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before i start reading this thread can someone first tell me whether or not i'm going to like it? if not, i will pass...
BL I thought you knew I am a big fan of Ian Bell and I started this thread in good faith. My timing was a bit off, as it happens. I thought with the India series coming up and Bell wanting to improve on his performance against India last time (in India) it would be good to talk about that, and anyway it was time he had a thread of his own.

Unfortunately things haven't gone too well so far so it's given Psyduck and others plenty of opporrtunity to discuss Bell's shortcomings.

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Old 13th August 2007, 01:24   #132
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You haven't made a ton for a year, you're on 96, so what do you do? You get there in singles, if necessary, that's what. You don't try to do it in style by charging down the pitch and attempted to hit the spinner for 6, do you? Not if you're not KP anyway, or you're not in the form of your life. I know he must be cursing that shot every day, but with his place being called into question in some quarters he neeced to make absolutely sure that he made that 100. There is an air of abstraction about his batting which worries me when he surely has quite a lot to prove.
All manner of batsmen do daft things and get themselves out in the nineties. Collingwood is also a bit of a shocker for it. He gave it away hooking at Shoaib in Lahore when within reach of his maiden century. He charged down the track trying to launch Warne out of the ground in the second innings at the Gabba to bring up a century.
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Was the 1st innings really his first half century of the series? Whats happened?
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Old 13th August 2007, 10:19   #135
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I've thought for a while that Ian Bell could transform himself into an opener, in a Justin Langer kind of way. His technique is sound and as an opener there would be less pressure to dominate the bowling, something I think he struggles with in the middle order.

This could also solve our Strauss predictament (not playing well enough to stay in the side/ no obvious replacements to call upon) and allow Flintoff to come into 6. I've always preferred a lefthander/right-hander opening combo anyway.
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Was the 1st innings really his first half century of the series? Whats happened?
Not sure, he just didn't get going in the first two tests. What a relief to get it though because otherwise it might have been the first series in which he didn't get to fifty.

Anyway he has followed up the 63 of the first innings with a superb 67 in the second. He looked very positive from the moment he came to the crease and took every scoring opportunity without taking undue risks. He certainly got Kumble annoyed. There wasn't time for a century but it's a pity he didn't end with a not out.

Also, to those doubters who say Bell never takes responsibility, please note that after the loss of Collingwood and KP, and with Prior not having had a good match up to that point, Bell had ensured that England had only four and a bit overs to negotiate when he got out.
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I must say that Bell was the only batsman that looked comfortable against all the bowlers. Why doesn't he bat like this in ODIs? Best batting performance all series by any batsman apart from Vaughan when he got his 100. KP makes out that he is batting against the world's best bowlers while Vaughan in the 2nd Test and Bell (today) made the Indian bowlers look ordinary.
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You're right about KP making out he is batting against the best, but still he does make more runs (and specifically makes more centuries, which is IRB's problem). In full flow Vaughan and Bell are much more sublime than KP, its just that it often comes suddenly to a halt! I do wonder why Bell (or Vaughan for that matter) doesn't bat like this in ODIs, although the much increased pressure may have something to do with it.
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Not sure, he just didn't get going in the first two tests. What a relief to get it though because otherwise it might have been the first series in which he didn't get to fifty.

Anyway he has followed up the 63 of the first innings with a superb 67 in the second. He looked very positive from the moment he came to the crease and took every scoring opportunity without taking undue risks. He certainly got Kumble annoyed. There wasn't time for a century but it's a pity he didn't end with a not out.

Also, to those doubters who say Bell never takes responsibility, please note that after the loss of Collingwood and KP, and with Prior not having had a good match up to that point, Bell had ensured that England had only four and a bit overs to negotiate when he got out.
I'm more than a little puzzled by Bell's batting in the second innings. He was obviously in great touch and batted very well. The thing is that a blazing faster than a run a ball half century actually served England less well than a gritty 20 not out would have done. England could still just about have lost the game when Bell got out trying to sweep a full straight ball. Prior's much less impressive innings was more instrumental in saving the game. It's good to know that Bell can bat like that but this was a very strange time to show us. I don't buy the responsibility argument. Still, he's done enough to stay in the side, which is a relief to me because I really want him to succeed.
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