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Old 2nd June 2007, 11:41   #141
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Most FC cricketers have batted high up the order for their clubs,including GBH and Hoggy. Its a red herring. In his first test he batted at 10, behind Hughes and McDermott. Only ahead of Reid. This also demonstrates that the Aussies pick bowlers for bowling ability.
Just as you imply England should then? Warne batting up the order isn't a red herring because he was actually more of a batsman than bowler very early in his career, indicating that he could bat. Hoggard most certainly was not. What do you make of Warne's batting stats breakdown then? I notice you ignored that.
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Old 11th June 2007, 17:36   #142
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ICC Test Cricket Rankings at 11th June 2007

Batsmen

3 (-) - Pietersen
14 (+8) - Cook
18 (-5) - Collingwood
19 (-) - Bell
22 (-5) - Strauss
23 (-) - Trescothick
28 (-) - Flintoff
38 (-) - Vaughan
76 (-16) - Prior
81 (-1) - Jones
89 (-4) - Giles
99 (-1) - Shah

Bowlers

8 (-) - Hoggard
11 (-1) - Flintoff
12 (+14) - Panesar
18 (-) - Harmison
37 (-) - Giles
43 (+10) - Sidebottom
50 (-2) - Anderson
59 (-4) - Plunkett
62 (-1) - Mahmood
75 (-1) - Udal
87 (-1) - Lewis
91 (-1) - Vaughan

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Old 11th June 2007, 18:35   #143
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ICC Test Cricket Rankings at 11th June 2007

Batsmen

3 (-) - Pietersen
14 (+8) - Cook
18 (-5) - Collingwood
19 (-) - Bell
22 (-5) - Strauss
23 (-) - Trescothick
28 (-) - Flintoff
38 (-) - Vaughan
76 (-16) - Prior
81 (-1) - Jones
89 (-4) - Giles
99 (-1) - Shah

Bowlers

8 (-) - Hoggard
11 (-1) - Flintoff
12 (+14) - Panesar
18 (-) - Harmison
37 (-) - Giles
43 (+10) - Sidebottom
50 (-2) - Anderson
59 (-4) - Plunkett
62 (-1) - Mahmood
75 (-1) - Udal
87 (-1) - Lewis
91 (-1) - Vaughan
Bah! Bell drops 5 places after doing nothing at Headingley but doesn't move up at all after narrowly missing out on a century and saving England's first innings. At least Strauss has moved below him. Bell just needs to swap places with Collingwood and the batting order will be about right. However, I know that the rankings take no notice of match state etc and only look at the bare information on the scorecard.

Panesar's rise to the top of the England bowlers' rankings can't be far away.
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Old 11th June 2007, 18:38   #144
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Cook and Monty moving up the rankings nicely
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Old 11th June 2007, 18:41   #145
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It's rather a drastic drop for Prior, 16 places, and now only 5 places in front of Geraint Jones.
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Old 11th June 2007, 18:43   #146
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Bah! Bell drops 5 places after doing nothing at Headingley but doesn't move up at all after narrowly missing out on a century and saving England's first innings. At least Strauss has moved below him. Bell just needs to swap places with Collingwood and the batting order will be about right. However, I know that the rankings take no notice of match state etc and only look at the bare information on the scorecard.

Panesar's rise to the top of the England bowlers' rankings can't be far away.
Bell's rating score did increase (by 7 points), and he'd have moved up but for Chanderpaul's dramatic rise and Cook's moving up, such that both overtook him.

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Old 11th June 2007, 18:49   #147
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Bell's rating score did increase (by 7 points), and he'd have moved up but for Chanderpaul's dramatic rise and Cook's moving up, such that both overtook him.
Thanks. I should look up these details myself before throwing my toys out of the pram. Presumably Cook has now played enough tests for the assessors to stop hedging their bets and we'll see him going even higher soon. It would be good to have two batsmen and two bowlers in the top 10 in the near future.
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Old 11th June 2007, 18:51   #148
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That is a huge drop for Prior.
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Old 11th June 2007, 18:57   #149
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I can see Cook as a future no.1 if he keeps going like this.
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I can see Cook as a future no.1 if he keeps going like this.
I'd rather have Pietersen though.
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Old 11th June 2007, 19:00   #151
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Old 11th June 2007, 19:41   #152
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That is a huge drop for Prior.
He jumped about 15 places after his performance at Headingley, and just gave them back with his modest performance (overall) at OT.

He'd come into the ratings/rankings at a high position (relatively) because of his dream debut, so we have to expect some volatility until he has played a few more innings.
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ICC Test Cricket Rankings after Durham Test Match.

Batsmen

3 (-) - Pietersen
13 (+5)- Collingwood
20 (-6) - Cook
21 (-2)- Bell
22 (-) - Strauss
24 (-) - Trescothick
30 (-2) - Flintoff
37 (+1) - Vaughan
67 (+9) - Prior
82 (-2 - Jones
87 (+2) - Giles
99 (-) - Shah

Bowlers

6 =(+6) - Panesar
6 = (+2) - Hoggard

11 (-) - Flintoff
21(-3) - Harmison
38 (-1) - Giles
42 (+1) - Sidebottom
52 (-2) - Anderson
60 (-1) - Plunkett
62 (-) - Mahmood
75 (-) - Udal
87 (-) - Lewis
91 (-) - Vaughan

Panesar into the top ten, 6th equal with Hoggard.

Only one batsman in the top 10, Colly next best, the rest clustered around 20.
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Old 19th June 2007, 22:07   #154
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Monty's really one half decent match away from being no. 3. Only 9 points below Kumble, and he still doesn't have a full rating yet.

Why is Udal still in the list btw, he hasn't played a Test for more than a year.
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Old 19th June 2007, 23:01   #156
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How does Harmison drop ranking points when he plays yet Andy Murray keeps climbing when he doesn't.
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Given that Monty does not qualify for a full ranking that is pretty spectacular stuff. His ranking will remain pretty volatile though as he has played comparatively few matches.
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How does Harmison drop ranking points when he plays yet Andy Murray keeps climbing when he doesn't.
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Superb stuff Monty top 3 by the end of the summer
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fantastic for Monty. Prior moves back up, he's only 36 runs behind Chris Read now
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