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Old 1st December 2007, 09:01   #1
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Monty Panesar

Thought I'd make a thread for Panesar as there wasn't one before, mainly because I read this a few minutes ago and I think Panesar is pretty much right. It was a bit harsh to have a go at Northants for underdeveloping Panesar...it's quite rubbish, isn't it, it's as though he wasn't very good when he went to England and he's suddenly been turned into a magic spinner. Certainly they've helped him develop, but he was good enough to be selected in the first place.

Also the SL series is an important one for him, especially with Graeme Swann now waiting in the sidelines.
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Old 1st December 2007, 10:31   #2
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Can't argue with Monty's efforts so far this series. Given that this track is turning like a dustbowl (no coincidence, you might say) on day one, I'm a bit worried he may take more wickets than Hoggard this game.

He makes a good point about the arm ball too. I thought I'd seen him bowl a few.
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Old 1st December 2007, 10:59   #3
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Well, having read Fletchers book, I actually think that the former coach has been acting like a child in some respects.
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Old 1st December 2007, 12:44   #4
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Thanks for posting that link, Joe. It's always good to read an article praising Northants. The bit at the end is interesting:

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David Parsons, England's spin coach, wasn't really involved then and he has been a great help to me working on the thinking side of spin bowling as well as on the technical stuff.
Parsons doesn't get mentioned very often and I had the impression that he worked more with youngsters and left Monty and er, all the other England spinners to themselves a bit. I'd like to think he works with Vaughan and Pietersen too.

On another note, and prompted by what Kim was saying on the Notts thread- what would have happened if Graeme Swann hadn't moved to Notts?
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Old 1st December 2007, 17:03   #5
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Monty wrote for the Daily Mail?
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Erm, what has prompted this attack on Fletcher by Panesar in the Daily Mail?

Fletcher's book came out nearly a month ago and players have already said their piece or decided to keep their thoughts to themselves. It seems odd that Panesar has now chosen to say things like Fletcher hasn't a clue about spin. I'm fully behind Monty in the things he says, but I'm curious about the timing and the necessity to make an attack like this. Am I missing something? Has Fletcher himself made further comments about Panesar to which this article is a response?
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Old 2nd December 2007, 04:44   #8
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Maybe he took the time to read the whole book before commenting?
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Erm, what has prompted this attack on Fletcher by Panesar in the Daily Mail?

Fletcher's book came out nearly a month ago and players have already said their piece or decided to keep their thoughts to themselves. It seems odd that Panesar has now chosen to say things like Fletcher hasn't a clue about spin. I'm fully behind Monty in the things he says, but I'm curious about the timing and the necessity to make an attack like this. Am I missing something? Has Fletcher himself made further comments about Panesar to which this article is a response?
Generates a bit of publicity for his new DVD maybe? Bit ill advised to sink to the Fat one's level, however mildly.
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Thanks for posting that link, Joe. It's always good to read an article praising Northants. The bit at the end is interesting:



Parsons doesn't get mentioned very often and I had the impression that he worked more with youngsters and left Monty and er, all the other England spinners to themselves a bit. I'd like to think he works with Vaughan and Pietersen too.

On another note, and prompted by what Kim was saying on the Notts thread- what would have happened if Graeme Swann hadn't moved to Notts?
Monty would have replaced Jason Brown? Or, more likely moved to Warwicks. as we were after him before he went to University. Would have saved me a lot of Giles/Panesar grief but, on the other hand, deprived me of a lot of Monty V Ash entertainment.
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Having read the article I can't believe Monty is educated to degree level. If it was ghosted said ghost should hang his head in shame!

That said I think much of what he says is fair enough. It does seem a tad out of character though and I don't really think he's done himself any favours in rising to the bait.
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Having read the article I can't believe Monty is educated to degree level. If it was ghosted said ghost should hang his head in shame!

That said I think much of what he says is fair enough. It does seem a tad out of character though and I don't really think he's done himself any favours in rising to the bait.
It's the same style as Fletcher's serialisation was written in, using only one sentence paragraphs- is it a Daily Mail thing?
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It's the same style as Fletcher's serialisation was written in, using only one sentence paragraphs- is it a Daily Mail thing?
I'm not sure. Perhaps Maggie or Michelle can shed some light on it.
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I'm not sure. Perhaps Maggie or Michelle can shed some light on it.
I've not actually read more than 10 pages of Fletchers book. trying to read Cranford at the mo!
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I'm not sure. Perhaps Maggie or Michelle can shed some light on it.
I listened to TMS in the lunch break today. First, there was an interview with Duncan Fletcher by Jonathan Agnew, in which DF appeared a lot more human and generous (ish) than usual. It apparently took place in London just before DF returned to South Africa, but after all the book promotional interviews had taken place. He and Agnew have played together in the past and there is a rapport between them, one reason possibly for Aggers's staunch defence of the Giles selection last year.

After that there was a discussion with the editor of the Daily Mail and Stephen Brenkley about Fletcher's book. The Daily Mail chap said that Panesar had come in for an interview, presumably promoting his own book, and the journalist he spoke to found him very open and expansive, ready to talk honestly about things - much to the Daily Mail's delight of course! My guess is that what stirred him up was the slight on his county and Northants colleagues possibly complaining to him. I'm not sure if he'd have just attacked DF like that on his own behalf.

P.S. I can't stand the one-sentence paragraph type of journalism. To my horror I noticed a column by Mike Atherton on the Sky cricket website written in just that way. Not at all how he writes in the Sunday Telegraph and I suspect that it's not him writing at all but just some of his views ghosted by a Sky hack.

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why? It's on telly at the moment duh
She'll come back later and tell us how the serialisation is untrue to the book and there are glaring errors.
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