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Old 22nd January 2008, 00:17   #101
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Difficult if you have an enormous islamic beard.
I think he has shaved if off so he will be ready if the call comes. He might not be sure whether beards are acceptable. Does anyone know who was the last England player with a beard?
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Old 22nd January 2008, 00:19   #102
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I think he has shaved if off so he will be ready if the call comes. He might not be sure whether beards are acceptable. Does anyone know who was the last England player with a beard?
Monty Panesar?
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Old 22nd January 2008, 00:20   #103
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And Flintoff, although his is more a case of not shaving rather than having a beard.

And Harmison.
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Old 22nd January 2008, 00:21   #104
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Monty Panesar?
Talk about brain dead.
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Old 22nd January 2008, 00:23   #105
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And Flintoff, although his is more a case of not shaving rather than having a beard.

And Harmison.
They haven't had proper beards though. Usually hair under their chin.
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Old 22nd January 2008, 13:14   #106
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Mike Brearley had the full monty for a while.
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Old 3rd February 2008, 21:25   #107
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http://www.ecb.co.uk/england/england...,16189,EN.html

Not a great article as it's simply filled with quotes from Parsons, but it did raise one thought - with Monty by far the most experienced player on the tour internationally, would it have been worthwhile giving him the captaincy? It's been mentioned that he's happy to be passive about field placings, leaving everything to the captain - well, if he's the captain then he has to take the responsibility. Perhaps it would've just provided a distraction to a bowler trying to reclaim his form, but it also could have got him out of his shell and thinking more pro-actively about the game in general. Just an idea
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Just an idea
A bad one methinks.
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Old 3rd February 2008, 22:04   #109
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Not a great article as it's simply filled with quotes from Parsons, but it did raise one thought - with Monty by far the most experienced player on the tour internationally, would it have been worthwhile giving him the captaincy? It's been mentioned that he's happy to be passive about field placings, leaving everything to the captain - well, if he's the captain then he has to take the responsibility. Perhaps it would've just provided a distraction to a bowler trying to reclaim his form, but it also could have got him out of his shell and thinking more pro-actively about the game in general. Just an idea
Worth considering, but I don't think it should go further than considering it at the moment.
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He can be "captain of the bowlers" like Anderson.
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He can be "captain of the bowlers" like Anderson.
That was only when AD was bowling coach.
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What's the point of trying to be assertive about field placings - or anything else for that matter - when the previous coach and captain weren't exactly gagging to have you in the side at all? Kissing the relevant rears seemed to be more suited to keeping a place in the side.
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I read his book 'Mony's Turn' and a riveting read it wasn't. He really didn't seem that imaginative though he admits he has a long way to go.
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Think he's naturally quite a modest guy, but one who's anxious not to say or do anything that might upset the management. Once or twice he's let slip that he's accutely aware of the delicate situation he's in. It won't take much for them to drop him and replace him with a spear thrower who bats a bit.
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Panesar and his keepers -

Jones -
India - 5 wickets (3 Tests) - Jones 15.00 - DLW
SL - 10 wickets (3 Tests) - Jones - 13.33 - DWL
Pak - 10 wickets (2 Tests) - Jones 14.00 - DW
Ashes - 8 wickets (1 Test) - Jones 10.50 - LL

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Pakistan - 7 wickets (2 Tests) - Read 42.00 - WF
Ashes - 2 wickets (2 Tests) - Read 11.66 - LL

Prior -
WI - 23 wickets (4 Tests) - Prior 64.80 - DWWW
India - 8 wickets (3 Tests) - Prior - 14.60 - DLD
SL - 8 wickets (3 Tests) - Prior - 41.25 - LDD
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Think he's naturally quite a modest guy, but one who's anxious not to say or do anything that might upset the management. Once or twice he's let slip that he's accutely aware of the delicate situation he's in. It won't take much for them to drop him and replace him with a spear thrower who bats a bit.
What disappointed me most in SL was that when obviously out of form he resorted to bowling quicker and didn't seem to have the mind to try and vary his flight/speed and seemed to lose even more rhythm by bowling darts.

Don't get me wrong I remain a Panesar fan but his biggest attributes are his ability to make the ball drift into the batsman whilst gaining enough turn and bounce from even relatively unhelpful surfaces to continue to trouble good players. For a finger spinner he does put good revs on the ball, so he shouldn't lose his best assets.
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Panesar and his keepers -

Jones -
India - 5 wickets (3 Tests) - Jones 15.00 - DLW
SL - 10 wickets (3 Tests) - Jones - 13.33 - DWL
Pak - 10 wickets (2 Tests) - Jones 14.00 - DW
Ashes - 8 wickets (1 Test) - Jones 10.50 - LL

Read -
Pakistan - 7 wickets (2 Tests) - Read 42.00 - WF
Ashes - 2 wickets (2 Tests) - Read 11.66 - LL

Prior -
WI - 23 wickets (4 Tests) - Prior 64.80 - DWWW
India - 8 wickets (3 Tests) - Prior - 14.60 - DLD
SL - 8 wickets (3 Tests) - Prior - 41.25 - LDD

What does the figure 15.0 stand for?
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What does the figure 15.0 stand for?
Batting average. I was puzzled for a bit too.
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Batting average. I was puzzled for a bit too.
Ah the keeper's batting average! Now we know that Read should have been selected for the Ashes all along with the stupendous 1.16 extra runs he offered!
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Batting average. I was puzzled for a bit too.
I'm still puzzled. What's the batting average of the wicket keeper got to do with Panesar?
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I'm still puzzled. What's the batting average of the wicket keeper got to do with Panesar?
Monty wants the best keeper so he can take more wickets but he doesn't contribute much with the bat so he's already part of the equation whereby a batting keeper is picked?
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