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Old 23rd May 2018, 17:31   #1
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Tim Wigmore has an article (unfortunately behind the Telegraph pay-barrier) apparently looking at England's search for 90mph bowlers.

After all the investment into Loughborough 7 other test countries have a bowler faster England in the past two years.
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Old 23rd May 2018, 17:44   #2
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Tim Wigmore has an article (unfortunately behind the Telegraph pay-barrier) apparently looking at England's search for 90mph bowlers.

After all the investment into Loughborough 7 other test countries have a bowler faster England in the past two years.
How's their search for a decent spinner and opening batsman going?
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Old 23rd May 2018, 18:07   #3
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It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation. Take Garton for example, identified playing for the Under 19s as a potential quick bowler but ends up having to be protected and barely playing for Sussex, but taken on various England/Lions tours. Played a four day game and then a one dayer and has to rest due to a sore side. Does he cut down the pace to get more cricket in the county grind and possibly earn a place for England through wickets, or do England back the pace and hope he learns to bowl at a higher level. It's not just Garton, he's just an example but you could probably name a few others.
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Also, do English pitches, especially at county level, reward quick bowling? Or is it like being able to serve at 145mph in tennis, then having to play on clay?
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It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation. Take Garton for example, identified playing for the Under 19s as a potential quick bowler but ends up having to be protected and barely playing for Sussex, but taken on various England/Lions tours. Played a four day game and then a one dayer and has to rest due to a sore side. Does he cut down the pace to get more cricket in the county grind and possibly earn a place for England through wickets, or do England back the pace and hope he learns to bowl at a higher level. It's not just Garton, he's just an example but you could probably name a few others.
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Also, do English pitches, especially at county level, reward quick bowling? Or is it like being able to serve at 145mph in tennis, then having to play on clay?
Precisely. Horses for courses and since you generally go through the various levels to county level before playing for England then they are going to bowl at a speed that gets them results.

That said England have had a few quicks in the past and to the best of my knowledge they didn't learn their trade outside of England, not in some of the cases I'm thinking of.

Pace isn't the be all and end all, problem a lot of England bowlers experience abroad is an inability to bowl the right line and length consistently enough because they can't adjust.

And in spite of losing all but one Test to nil in three of the last four Ashes away series, the following quicks did average 30 or under :

17/18 Anderson : 17 wkts @ 27.82
13/14 Broad : 21 wkts @ 27.52
13/14 Tremlett : 4 wkts @ 30.00

None in 06/07 but considering the aussie batting had Hussey, Ponting, Clarke, Symonds, Hayden, Gilchrist and Langer in it then no great surprise no England bowler averaged under 30 that series. And in England's win in 10/11 THREE averaged under 30, Bresnan, Anderson and Tremlett with Finn averaging 33.14, it's not so much a case of their pace as how well they bowl and indeed can be how well the opposition bat, although three aussies still made 360+ runs at 45+ average


I suppose the quandary is, when you have a kid who wants to be a quick bowler and has the ability do you, or indeed does he, bowl at a pace that produces the best results in his bread and butter home conditions, or bowl fast(er) hoping that it might get him an edge?

Also, how many quicker bowlers have had to modify actions and/or been subject to injury spates.......? I think above there are two obvious ones, and even Botham had to rein in his pace a bit and became a bit of a trundle in his late career otherwise no doubt he'd have taken another 50+ wickets...
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Also, do English pitches, especially at county level, reward quick bowling? Or is it like being able to serve at 145mph in tennis, then having to play on clay?
At one time if you read cricket reports you got fed up of reading the term "placid pitch". Don't know if it's any better now but in one article Stephen Finn was saying that very few county pitches reward pace, which suggests it isn't.
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