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View Poll Results: Who should replace Jennings if he's dropped?
Hameed 7 36.84%
Stoneman 10 52.63%
Hales 0 0%
Duckett 0 0%
Gubbins 0 0%
Robson 0 0%
Bell-Drummond 2 10.53%
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Old 27th July 2017, 12:30   #1
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Next opener if Jennings is dropped

Who would people go for next? Incredible how many have been given a chance post Strauss.

Hameed
Very promising start in India but dreadful season this year. I think he may be one of those guys who is just rises to the occasion on the international stage. Bob Willis fears that white ball cricket is being in bad habits to his game, which happened to Cook a few years ago.

Stoneman
Can't really do much more. A couple of excellent seasons in Durham on difficult surfaces and now playing beautifully at The Oval. He seems to have good character and mindset. Importantly, he's a very good player he of the short ball. That would be useful looking ahead to the winter.

Hales
The fact he now bats at 4 for Notts would suggest that he's eyeing up a spot in England's middle order but having done the job before, it wouldn't be out of the equation that he'd be asked to have another go. I'd prefer him in the middle order, but I was very impressed by the way he mentally came back in ODI cricket after his poor test run and criticism from the media.

Duckett
Very unlikely after technical issues were highlighted in Asia. Like Hales, if he ever comes back, it's likely to be in the middle order. Having a decent season back at Northants.

Gubbins
Seems to have fallen away after being spoken about last year. Also done badly when playing for the lions.

Robson
Bayliss has mentioned him twice when interviewed so he's clearly in the minds of those picking the team. Thought he did okay back in 2014 and perhaps deserves another shot.

Bell-Drummond
Always plays for the lions and always pretty consistent at Kent. Perhaps the Div 2 label is holding him back.
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Old 27th July 2017, 12:45   #2
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Well Hameed, Robson, Hales and Duckett have all been tried and failed so presumably Stoneman.
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Old 27th July 2017, 12:49   #3
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Well Hameed, Robson, Hales and Duckett have all been tried and failed so presumably Stoneman.
Duckett and Hales certainly failed. Robson had an excellent start but his form dropped off. Hameed didn't fail.... quite the opposite.
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Old 27th July 2017, 12:54   #4
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Can't really do much more. A couple of excellent seasons in Durham
Eh?

These are his batting averages in the championship for the last 4 years

2016 - 45.70
2015 - 34.06
2014 - 35.85
2013 - 34.86

Colour me underwhelmed.
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Old 27th July 2017, 12:59   #5
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Eh?

These are his batting averages in the championship for the last 4 years

2016 - 45.70
2015 - 34.06
2014 - 35.85
2013 - 34.86

Colour me underwhelmed.
Mid-thirties in Div 1 on the most bowler friendly pitch is very decent. As you can see, probably worth 45 at The Oval. Take a look at Chris Rushworth's figures.
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Old 27th July 2017, 13:05   #6
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Mid-thirties in Div 1 on the most bowler friendly pitch is very decent. As you can see, probably worth 45 at The Oval. Take a look at Chris Rushworth's figures.
So he's ok unless he comes across a helpful pitch or a good bowler?

Doesn't sound like a recipe for test success to me.

Has anyone got his home and away splits?
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Old 27th July 2017, 13:06   #7
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Duckett and Hales certainly failed. Robson had an excellent start but his form dropped off. Hameed didn't fail.... quite the opposite.
Even with Duckett, he was thrown in to open on the subcontinent on pitches where the oppo were opening the bowling with spinners, something he'd probably never had to do before. It's still unknown how he'd perform against more 'regular' new ball bowling attacks.

Hameed looked in a different league to all the others so I hope he gets another go soon. I'd be interested to hear if anyone on here watched him this summer and can give an insight as to why he struggled. Has he been told to play more aggressively by England and got himself out, has his technique gone to pot, is it just second season syndrome?
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Mid-thirties in Div 1 on the most bowler friendly pitch is very decent. As you can see, probably worth 45 at The Oval. Take a look at Chris Rushworth's figures.
Don't forget Jennings was playing on the same pitches last year and averaged a lot more.
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Don't forget Jennings was playing on the same pitches last year and averaged a lot more.
Like I feared during the winter, I think Jennings is a one season wonder. I'm never a fan of picking a guy who hasn't had 2 solid county seasons. So many county players have had that one standout year.
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How the runs are scored is as important, if not more so.

I'm going for DBD as I want a left-right opening partnership.
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Old 27th July 2017, 16:09   #11
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Why no option of Rory Burns?
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Why no option of Rory Burns?
Agreed.

Or Nick Browne.

Both surely as worthy of consideration as several in the list.
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Seeing as they're giving a game to anyone who has ever stepped on a cricket field it has to be Karl Power.
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None of the above. I'd go for Root.

Given the options presented, any reason for omitting Lyth?
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He'd not be the worst choice on the list by any means (that would be Duckett followed by Hales). Guess he'd be behind anyone new as he had a chance and (this is merely from scorecard remembrance so am happy to be corrected) not sure he has the runs Robson has this year.
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Lyth should be an option and would be my second pick behind Hameed. I'm also not opposed to Root opening either.
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Even with Duckett, he was thrown in to open on the subcontinent on pitches where the oppo were opening the bowling with spinners, something he'd probably never had to do before. It's still unknown how he'd perform against more 'regular' new ball bowling attacks.

Hameed looked in a different league to all the others so I hope he gets another go soon. I'd be interested to hear if anyone on here watched him this summer and can give an insight as to why he struggled. Has he been told to play more aggressively by England and got himself out, has his technique gone to pot, is it just second season syndrome?
Agreed on Duckett...think he's got one of the better career FC records of that list of players too (I haven't checked them all). And even in his failed subcontinental stint he did get a fifty in a fourth innings chase in Bangla.

Re Hameed, his temperament was mighty impressive in India. But, just playing devil's advocate a bit, did he have some issues against the short ball in India or I am confusing him for someone else? Either way, the Indian new ball attack on Indian pitches is one of the easier gigs for an opening batsman (India's pacers tend to be better with reverse swing at home) so could just be his game needs to improve against fast bowling.
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Agreed on Duckett...think he's got one of the better career FC records of that list of players too (I haven't checked them all). And even in his failed subcontinental stint he did get a fifty in a fourth innings chase in Bangla.

Re Hameed, his temperament was mighty impressive in India. But, just playing devil's advocate a bit, did he have some issues against the short ball in India or I am confusing him for someone else? Either way, the Indian new ball attack on Indian pitches is one of the easier gigs for an opening batsman (India's pacers tend to be better with reverse swing at home) so could just be his game needs to improve against fast bowling.
My gut says Stoneman as he plays the short ball well, but it's getting embarrassing picking all of these openers. Going back to Hameed for the WI series might just be what he needs as a confidence boost before the Ashes. The WI attack is probably worse than man Div 1 county attacks, so you'd back him to score runs.
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Lyth should be an option and would be my second pick behind Hameed. I'm also not opposed to Root opening either.
Has Lyth done anything in the last two years. The batsmen in the poll have either played for England recently, or been spoken about publicly by coaches or selectors. I don't think Lyth would even get a mention in selection meetings these days.

As for Rory Burns, doesn't he need to get a gig in the lions first? Never even made it into that side.
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