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Old 2nd June 2015, 01:22   #181
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I think that one should have been Bell's.
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I've not seen the replay yet but according to Cricinfo Bell has found a novel way to avoid dropping slip catches - to not even go for them.
Don't you think there is something weird going on here? Ballance dropped a catch at third slip and was then moved. Cook hurt his hand dropping a catch and took himself away to mid-on, bringing Root in. But Bell is having a terrible series at 2nd slip and doesn't get moved at all. Cook must be aware of it and as captain could just move him.

On TMS before play this morning we had Vaughan and Swann agreeing that Bell is one of the world's best short leg fielders, or used to be, and Lyth is a good slipper for Yorkshire. A similar discussion took place on The Verdict. "Why not have Bell as the designated short leg fielder and move Lyth into the slips?".

It's daft having Bell, or anyone, in the wrong fielding position, when it clearly impacts badly on the team. It seems also to be affecting Bell badly as he can't buy a run, although it's hard to say which came first. There's definitely something not right because even if not a natural slip fielder, Bell is good enough surely to take the standard catches.
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Old 2nd June 2015, 13:29   #182
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Don't you think there is something weird going on here? Ballance dropped a catch at third slip and was then moved. Cook hurt his hand dropping a catch and took himself away to mid-on, bringing Root in. But Bell is having a terrible series at 2nd slip and doesn't get moved at all. Cook must be aware of it and as captain could just move him.

On TMS before play this morning we had Vaughan and Swann agreeing that Bell is one of the world's best short leg fielders, or used to be, and Lyth is a good slipper for Yorkshire. A similar discussion took place on The Verdict. "Why not have Bell as the designated short leg fielder and move Lyth into the slips?".

It's daft having Bell, or anyone, in the wrong fielding position, when it clearly impacts badly on the team. It seems also to be affecting Bell badly as he can't buy a run, although it's hard to say which came first. There's definitely something not right because even if not a natural slip fielder, Bell is good enough surely to take the standard catches.
So, you're suggesting Cook is deliberately doing this to get Bell selected out of the team?

As regards what Cook sees, he also might have seen Broad bowling short and getting hit repeatedly but didn't do much about it.
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Old 2nd June 2015, 17:33   #183
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So, you're suggesting Cook is deliberately doing this to get Bell selected out of the team?

As regards what Cook sees, he also might have seen Broad bowling short and getting hit repeatedly but didn't do much about it.
Of course not! I am puzzled, that's all. As captain, Cook would have a say about Bell being dropped from the team in future. While he is in it, you would imagine that Cook would want him doing less damage and actually contributing positively. As for Broad, that was daft. It looked as if he was keeping Broad on for his 5 wickets and was unconcerned about the runs conceded.

My post was less about Cook's captaincy and more about what is wrong with Bell.
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Old 4th June 2015, 16:59   #184
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I wonder is Chris Taylor has any influence on where fielders should be fielding? I'm not saying he sets the fields, obviously, but maybe he advises Cook who to have in the slips?
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Old 8th August 2015, 00:35   #185
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Since Collingwood retired 2011 (updated)

Drops

24 - Prior
21 - Swann
20 - Bell
18 - Cook
13 - Anderson
11 - Strauss
9 - Root
7 - Bresnan
6 - Trott
5 - Ballance, Broad
4 - Pietersen, Panesar
3 - Finn, Buttler
2 - Tremlett, Bairstow, Jordan, Tredwell, Wood
1 - Morgan, Elstone, Ali, Carberry, Plunkett, Woakes, Lyth

Bowlers who had catches dropped

43 - Broad
40 - Anderson
31 - Swann
10 - Bresnan
7 - Stokes
5 - Tremlett, Finn, Panesar
4 - Jordan, Root, Ali
3 - Plunkett
2 - Patel
1 - Bopara, Onions, Pietersen, Woakes, Tredwell, Wood

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Old 8th August 2015, 01:05   #186
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I wonder is Chris Taylor has any influence on where fielders should be fielding? I'm not saying he sets the fields, obviously, but maybe he advises Cook who to have in the slips?
Sky did a piece before start of play Friday with Chris Taylor and a demonstration of slip catching "starring" Atherton, Ponting and Hussain. Hussain dropped his, to the crowd's amusement. Taylor has worked on the slip cordon since the poor performance v NZ, looking at the spacing between them and how they work with each other - clearer understanding of who goes for which ball, etc. As to the personnel, Taylor said Cook has become an excellent slip fielder,Bell has a good pair of hands and Root is likely to be with the team for several years and is a key figure at third slip.

Certainly there's been a big improvement in this series.
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Broad lucky so few catches dropped off his bowling?
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Old 14th August 2015, 12:37   #188
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Dropped catches in ODIs since the two new balls in October 2011

Bowler

17 - Finn
11 - Bresnan, Tredwell, Anderson
10 - Broad
8 - Jordan
7 - Dernbach, Stokes
5 - Bopara, Woakes, Wood
4 - Swann
3 - Rashid
2 - Meaker, Root
1 - Patel, Borthwick, Gurney, Plunkett, Willey, Ali, Toplely

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16 - Buttler
13 - Kieswetter
7 - Tredwell, Cook
6 - Trott, Root
5 - Bresnan, Anderson, Finn, Morgan, Woakes
4 - Bopara
3 - Pietersen, Patel, Jordan, Stokes
2 - Swann, Carberry, Gurney, Bell, Ali, Hales Roy
1 - Broad, Wood, Rashid, Bairstow

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Old 21st August 2015, 14:27   #189
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Another one dropped off Root.

Would average 25 with the ball if the fielders could catch.
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Old 25th August 2015, 02:20   #190
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Copy of a letter to the Cricketer years ago

My few years in first-class cricket were 1929-1934. By far the greatest difference between now and then is the fielding, the speed and gymnastic saving of boundaries and the speed and accuracy of the throwing-in are the most notable of the improvements.

In one respect, however, there is most definitive and deplorable decline and that is in the slip and gulley positions. In the days of Chapman, Hammond, Lock, Constantine and Duleep I doubt if one catch in 100 was dropped and hundreds which are now called 'very difficult' or 'just dropped short' were caught with ease. Nor did we have to fall over to make it look more difficult.

I suspect that unlike deep fielding, on which coaching has concentrated, the slips have been neglected. How much is the slip-catching cradle used? Lack of proper concentration is the number one fault. At present most catches seem to take them by surprise so that if they do catch it they are credited with a 'brilliant' catch or 'very well held'.

And why can't they move their feet? The wicket-keeper moves yards, often in front of first slip. But no, the ball has to 'reach' them to be a catch at all.
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File that letter under further evidence that bowling is quicker these days.
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Well the slips could wear helmets.
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I heard Boycott or someone say the other week that Bob Simpson regarded 8/10 success rate was excellent at slip, and he is regarded as one of the best ever slippers.
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Wasn't it the case that back in the 30s, very few wickets were taken caught behind (relative to the present day)? Mostly out lbw, bowled or caught in front of square.
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Wasn't it the case that back in the 30s, very few wickets were taken caught behind (relative to the present day)? Mostly out lbw, bowled or caught in front of square.
Would the theory behind this be that bats were smaller and so harder to edge the ball?
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I don't think the maximum dimensions of the face of a cricket bat have changed for ages.

I doubt there would have been proportionally more smaller bats years ago than there are today.

Any road up, if a bat was narrower, i.e. the edges closer to each other, it could be argued that an edge would be more likely.
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There would, however, be a lot of playing and missing. I wonder how wide Ali's bat is.
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Anderson to Mohammad Hafeez, no run, dropped! And that is a horrible clanger from Ian Bell at second slip. The ball seemed to arrive in slow motion, a regulation edge from a half-hearted poke outside off, and it went into his palms and straight out again. Bad error. Terrible error, in fact.


Hafeez on 7
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