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Old 13th October 2015, 14:29   #201
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WHY IS HE STILL AT ******* SLIP?

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Anderson to Asad Shafiq, no run, draws him forward, big outside edge... and Bell has dropped another! For the second time Bell fails to hold a dolly, for the second time Anderson is denied a wicket. This was even easier than the first, went straight to him at hip height but a frazzled Bell fumbled it to the floor
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Old 13th October 2015, 15:58   #202
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Since Collingwood retired 2011 (updated)

Drops

24 - Prior
21 - Swann
20 - Bell
18 - Cook
13 - Anderson
11 - Strauss
9 - Root
7 - Bresnan
6 - Trott
5 - Ballance, Broad
4 - Pietersen, Panesar
3 - Finn, Buttler
2 - Tremlett, Bairstow, Jordan, Tredwell, Wood
1 - Morgan, Elstone, Ali, Carberry, Plunkett, Woakes, Lyth

Bowlers who had catches dropped

43 - Broad
40 - Anderson
31 - Swann
10 - Bresnan
7 - Stokes
5 - Tremlett, Finn, Panesar
4 - Jordan, Root, Ali
3 - Plunkett
2 - Patel
1 - Bopara, Onions, Pietersen, Woakes, Tredwell, Wood
I think you've forgotten to add Bell's latest drops on KYS. England's worst ever slip fielder?
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Old 13th October 2015, 16:40   #203
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I cut and paste and forgot to add the drops.

I think he should ask to be taken out of slip.

From 2006 Tests (updated)

Drops

42 - Prior
33 - Cook
32 - Bell
28 - Swann
26 - Collingwood
20 - Anderson
19 - Strauss
14 - Bairstow
13 - Root
9 - Bresnan
8 - Panesar, Pietersen, Trott, Broad,
5 - Fllintoff, Ambrose, Ballance, Buttler
4 - Pietersen, Panesar, Finn
3 - Onions, Taylor
2 - Jones, Pattinson, Tremlett, Plunkett, Morgan, Jordan, Tredwell, Wood, Stokes, Compton, Vince
1 - Shah, Giles, Mahmood, Sidebottom, Elstone, Ali, Carberry, Woakes, Lyth, Bopara,

Bowlers who had catches dropped

73 - Anderson
71 - Broad
48 - Swann
15 - Panesar, Finn
14 - Sidebottom
11 - Bresnan, Stokes
9 - Ali
8 - Tremlett
7 - Harmison
5 - Hoggard, Flintoff, Collingwood, Tredwell, Root, Woakes
4 - Onions, Plunkett, Jordan
3 - Pietersen, Bopara, Patel
1 - Udal, Mahmood, Pattinson, Lewis, Wood

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Old 13th October 2015, 17:40   #204
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Why should he be asking? He should be told.
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Old 13th October 2015, 17:56   #205
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Why should he be asking? He should be told.
They aren't going to do that. Anderson shouldn't be in slip to the spinners either, although he shared some overs with Stokes. Why isn't Bairstow as slip to spin?
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Old 13th October 2015, 18:00   #206
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Chris Jordan is a better slip fielder and batsman than Ian Bell and he could probably bowl a few of the hard overs. He should be in the side
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Old 13th October 2015, 18:07   #207
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Chris Jordan is a better slip fielder and batsman than Ian Bell and he could probably bowl a few of the hard overs. He should be in the side
He is the best slip but he did nothing much in the West Indies. 6 wickets at 42.66. I was thinking that if Finn has a stress fracture, maybe Footitt should be called up.
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Old 13th October 2015, 18:53   #208
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Great analysis of bell on the verdict.
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Great analysis of bell on the verdict.
Did they tear into him?
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Old 13th October 2015, 18:59   #210
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Did they tear into him?
Can't imagine they said it was just a small sample size and that he was probably quite good in the slips really.
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Old 13th October 2015, 19:06   #211
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Will Andrew Strauss be ringing up Sky and telling them to go easy on Bell?
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Old 13th October 2015, 19:08   #212
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They said he is not relaxed and his hands down between his feet means his elbows are trapped between his knees so to take catches even slightly outside straight he needs to move his hands forward. This is obviously a massive problem for obvious reasons because it is the opposite of soft hands. Oh and his weight is too far back so again he can't move properly.

They basically said the back room staff are missing loads.
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Cost of no balls this year

Stokes to Blackwood on 21 - 91 runs
Wood to Guptill on 24 - 46 runs
Wood to Rogers on 47 - 5 runs
Finn to Nevill on 2 - 15 runs
Finn to Smith 92 on - 51 runs
Broad to Malik on 40 - 84*

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No Balls when they used to check them
(a wicket off a no ball was something that happened once in a blue moon)

79 Tests - 358 no balls - 4.5 per Test - Flintoff
67 Tests - 203 no balls - 3.0 per Test - Hoggard
63 Tests - 126 no balls - 2.0 per Test - Harmison
108 Tests - 37 no balls - 0.34 per Test - Anderson
85 Tests - 54 no balls - 0.63 per Test - Broad
26 Tests - 17 no balls - 0.65 per Test - Finn

I thought Flintoff was bad but ..

76 Tests 580 no balls - 7.6 per Test - Lee
55 Tests 324 no balls - 5.8 per Test - Edwards

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Old 14th October 2015, 15:55   #214
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I'm not sure you can say that no-balls have "cost" England X runs.

If the bowler had bowled a legal delivery the batsman may not have made the same mistake. He'd have had a little longer to react, the angle would have been slightly different etc. Bowling a no ball gives the bowler an unfair advantage.
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Old 14th October 2015, 16:27   #215
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2 dropped catches and 1 no ball costs England 399 runs.

Hafeez on 7 when dropped - 98 runs
Malik on 40 when Broad no ball - 205 runs
Shafiq on 11 when dropped - 96 runs

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2 dropped catches and 1 no ball costs England 393 runs.
No it didn't. If Broad had been behind the line then the batsman would have had more time to play his shot and might not have picked out Stokes in the gully.
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No it didn't. If Broad had been behind the line then the batsman would have had more time to play his shot and might not have picked out Stokes in the gully.
Why do you think if Broad's foot was an inch further back the batsmen would have had more time to play the shot?
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How far over was he? I think we're talking a centimetre so the batsmen wouldn't have had much more time to play the shot, certainly not enough to have made much of a difference.

Anyway it doesn't matter because Bell had dropped Hafeez well before so nothing that happened after that can really be taken into account as it would all have been very different!
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Why do you think if Broad's foot was an inch further back the batsmen would have had more time to play the shot?
The ball would have had further to travel.
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Why do you think if Broad's foot was an inch further back the batsmen would have had more time to play the shot?
Why do you think the fast bowlers try to bowl from as close to the line as possible? If it didn't make a difference, they would all bowl from a safe distance and they wouldn't bowl no balls. It presumably makes such a significant difference that it's worth all the free runs and non-wickets that bowling no balls involves. So GBG is right. There's no good analogy with dropped catches.
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