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Old 8th April 2009, 14:12   #181
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Last September - runs outwill be renewed this September
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Old 8th April 2009, 14:13   #182
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Old 8th April 2009, 14:24   #183
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I'm confused. We have a Performance Squad and a Development Squad. But we have central contracts, full and incremental, so the ones with those are the performers. Why not just remind people of the players on contracts and put anybody else in the Development Squad? Those who've been around so long that they can no longer be considered on the way u . Too long winded, what I mean is that the has-beens and never-will-bes shouldn't be there at all.
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Old 8th April 2009, 14:34   #184
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Sajid ****ing Mahmood....seriously this guy has done nothing to suggest he's ready to return to the England set-up.
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Old 8th April 2009, 14:38   #185
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England picked former captain Michael Vaughan today in a 25-man performance squad from which its Ashes team will be drawn.

I don't think that is true.
So does that rule out Pattinson, Hoggard, Tremlett, SJones, MDavies, Ali, Plunkett, Trott, Moore, Bresnan. They are talking about the MCC v Durham game as a chance to impress the selectors but some of them aren't in the Performance Squad.
No it isn't true - I don't know why that was written. As with all home Tests since the year dot, England can, of course, select any players eligible to play for England.

Regarding the MCC side, it's "picked by the MCC and ECB", but which people do the picking, I have no idea.
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Old 8th April 2009, 14:52   #186
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No it isn't true - I don't know why that was written. As with all home Tests since the year dot, England can, of course, select any players eligible to play for England.

Regarding the MCC side, it's "picked by the MCC and ECB", but which people do the picking, I have no idea.
1000ys mentoned Simon Jones as one of the ones not in the Performance Squad, and as you say it doesn't mean that he wouldn't be considered to play for England this year, but in his particular case, does his omission from the Performance Squad mean that England have no serious thoughts of him being ready to play international cricket any time soon, or any time full stop? The odds are against it given the amount of bowling he's capable of doing, but a lot of people seem anxious to keep those Ashes heroes in the frame, hence Vaughan and Harmison still in there.
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Old 8th April 2009, 14:59   #187
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Sajid ****ing Mahmood....seriously this guy has done nothing to suggest he's ready to return to the England set-up.
I really like the idea of Saj Mahmood but a bit like socialism, it just doesn't seem to work very well in real life.
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1000ys mentoned Simon Jones as one of the ones not in the Performance Squad, and as you say it doesn't mean that he wouldn't be considered to play for England this year, but in his particular case, does his omission from the Performance Squad mean that England have no serious thoughts of him being ready to play international cricket any time soon, or any time full stop? The odds are against it given the amount of bowling he's capable of doing, but a lot of people seem anxious to keep those Ashes heroes in the frame, hence Vaughan and Harmison still in there.
I don't think people wanting to see Jones' back has anything to do with people wanting to keep the Ashes heroes in the frame.
Jones was a superb bowler for us, someone we've really missed, if he could get back fully fit and firing he'd be a huge asset to England, unlike other Ashes players like Harmison who are now a waste of space.

If Jones' is fit he'll be right in Englands plans, but we aren't going to include someone who has been injured most of the past 4 years (and whom still isn't match fit) in any current squads.
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1000ys mentoned Simon Jones as one of the ones not in the Performance Squad, and as you say it doesn't mean that he wouldn't be considered to play for England this year, but in his particular case, does his omission from the Performance Squad mean that England have no serious thoughts of him being ready to play international cricket any time soon, or any time full stop? The odds are against it given the amount of bowling he's capable of doing, but a lot of people seem anxious to keep those Ashes heroes in the frame, hence Vaughan and Harmison still in there.
and also have they said goodbye to Hoggard? I would think they would have more of a chance of getting wickets from Hoggard rather than an injury prone Khan.
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Old 8th April 2009, 15:02   #190
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So we have a Performance Squad & a Development Squad.

Next we might have a Cricket Squad. Who'd ever see that one coming?
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No it isn't true - I don't know why that was written. As with all home Tests since the year dot, England can, of course, select any players eligible to play for England.

Regarding the MCC side, it's "picked by the MCC and ECB", but which people do the picking, I have no idea.
I've posted an irate reply.
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Old 8th April 2009, 15:18   #192
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So we have a Performance Squad & a Development Squad.

Next we might have a Cricket Squad. Who'd ever see that one coming?

It used to be called the Developement Squad until this year and has changed it's name to the Performance Squad.

We have
Contracted Players (12)
Increment Players (6)

who are all in the Performance Squad 2009

Performance Squad (25 but possible 30 if they spot someone)

Performance Programme Squad (14) picked ahead of Lions tour.
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I don't think people wanting to see Jones' back has anything to do with people wanting to keep the Ashes heroes in the frame.
Jones was a superb bowler for us, someone we've really missed, if he could get back fully fit and firing he'd be a huge asset to England, unlike other Ashes players like Harmison who are now a waste of space.

If Jones' is fit he'll be right in Englands plans, but we aren't going to include someone who has been injured most of the past 4 years (and whom still isn't match fit) in any current squads.
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and also have they said goodbye to Hoggard? I would think they would have more of a chance of getting wickets from Hoggard rather than an injury prone Khan.
Hoggard is a very interesting case. He was - perfectly reasonably - dropped in New Zealand, where he seemed totally out of form.

Although his star had waned a bit over the months leading up to that, it was with suddeness that the selectors then decided that he was completely surplus to requirements in any part of the England set-up.
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I don't think people wanting to see Jones' back has anything to do with people wanting to keep the Ashes heroes in the frame.Jones was a superb bowler for us, someone we've really missed, if he could get back fully fit and firing he'd be a huge asset to England, unlike other Ashes players like Harmison who are now a waste of space.

If Jones' is fit he'll be right in Englands plans, but we aren't going to include someone who has been injured most of the past 4 years (and whom still isn't match fit) in any current squads.
It's got a hell of a lot to do with it, if you read the posts on the subject. When people mention Jones, it's usually in the hope that he could be back for the Ashes. But obviously not just for that series, he would be welcomed back into the team if - big if - he was fully fit and able to recover his best form.

As to wanting to keep the Ashes heroes in the frame - there are a lot of people still looking back nostalgically and hoping it could all happen again, but I guess that it's mainly a fixation of the media. I'd say the selectors and management also, but hopefully they are at last looking at the reality.
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How can any squad be labelled "Performance" - and then have Harmison in it?.
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it doesnt call itself the good performance squad, Kim!
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How can any squad be labelled "Performance" - and then have Harmison in it?.
It's Harmison's presence in this - and the 2020 squad - which worries me. It seems that they're going to continue on exactly the same basis which has seen neither him nor England benefit much at all over the last 3/4 years.

So much for a new coach I wonder if it's time for some new selectors - how long can Miller and co. continue to travel under the radar? How long are they contracted for?
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It's got a hell of a lot to do with it, if you read the posts on the subject. When people mention Jones, it's usually in the hope that he could be back for the Ashes. But obviously not just for that series, he would be welcomed back into the team if - big if - he was fully fit and able to recover his best form.
I really don't think you're representing the board's mood correctly, certainly as far as more erudite posters are concerned (the sort who can spell Caribbean and remember to include words in their posts, say). Jones has been a huge miss for every series he's missed, not just Ashes series and few sensible people have said otherwise. Of course, he's been away for a long while and is highly unlikely to come back at all, let alone as the bowler he was in 2005. Still, this isn't one for your "everyone is obsessed with the Ashes" obsession.
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To be fair, Harmison still has a central contract and all the contracted players are in this unnecessary and meaningless squad.
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