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Old 7th July 2008, 12:08   #121
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i did wonder where he appeared from and was suprised he was English i've only seen him once in a twenty20 game but he looked a very cool customer.

Just on Joseph did i read somewhere that he was one of the quickest in county cricket?? think it was in an article anout lack of real pace in world cricket and in England?
I read yesterday that Malan was born in London but grew up in SA and obviously has Saffer parents, but I bet he enjoyed getting runs off them that bit extra given his background.
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Old 7th July 2008, 12:57   #122
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Being a really good keeper does generate some hype, it seems. Foster hasn't scored enough county runs really and is another who has probably had enough exposure to international cricket to be a known quantity and largely unlikely to be improved by a Lions tour. I'm not sure who I'd prefer though.

Sorry Maty, I just don't know enough about the players to comment, beyond that you're almost certainly on drugs.
Not sure if I entirely agree with that slogger. He hasn't had that much international cricket (and certainly nothing recently) to be an entirely known quantity though I do agree with you about him not having scored enough runs recently, however we are talking about potential England w/ks and if we exlude recent incumbents who are either likely to be in the squad (i.e Ambrose/Prior) or have tried and failed (Read/GoJo) then I'd say there is a better case for the England coaching staff to take a look at Foster, because he isn't in the tried and failed category IMO.
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Old 7th July 2008, 13:08   #123
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Not sure if I entirely agree with that slogger. He hasn't had that much international cricket (and certainly nothing recently) to be an entirely known quantity though I do agree with you about him not having scored enough runs recently, however we are talking about potential England w/ks and if we exlude recent incumbents who are either likely to be in the squad (i.e Ambrose/Prior) or have tried and failed (Read/GoJo) then I'd say there is a better case for the England coaching staff to take a look at Foster, because he isn't in the tried and failed category IMO.
Your two categories overlap anyway, as in Prior's case having been tried and failed doesn't stop him being in the "likely to be in the squad" category...
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Old 7th July 2008, 13:17   #124
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Not sure if I entirely agree with that slogger. He hasn't had that much international cricket (and certainly nothing recently) to be an entirely known quantity though I do agree with you about him not having scored enough runs recently, however we are talking about potential England w/ks and if we exlude recent incumbents who are either likely to be in the squad (i.e Ambrose/Prior) or have tried and failed (Read/GoJo) then I'd say there is a better case for the England coaching staff to take a look at Foster, because he isn't in the tried and failed category IMO.
Oh I think Foster is a better option to tour than Read although didn't he go on the last Lions tour and disappoint? I'd like to look to the next generation really but I can't see Mustard deserving a go and Davies has done little to merit a go recently.
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Your two categories overlap anyway, as in Prior's case having been tried and failed doesn't stop him being in the "likely to be in the squad" category...
Prior is in the Champions Trophy 30 man squad so he isn't a lost cause though I share your reservations about his keeping and wouldn't want him in the test team as a keeper, but he may be in the squad because of his batting abilities (he currently averages over 50 in the CC IIRC) and his batting for England overall earned him an average of 40+ and I'd be inclined to keep him in mind for the team as a batsman only. Oh and have a look at nearly every other major test match team, every single w/k is a capable batsmen and shocks the majority of them are decent keepers. The only one who is poor IMO is Akmal of Pakistan.
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Oh I think Foster is a better option to tour than Read although didn't he go on the last Lions tour and disappoint? I'd like to look to the next generation really but I can't see Mustard deserving a go and Davies has done little to merit a go recently.
Which is why I'd give Foster another go, we only had two f/c games in India for the Duleep Trophy, which is hardly a huge sample and I think it is as important for the coaches to look behind the scenes and see who is capable and who isn't. I don't know enough about other CC keepers to comment.
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Oh I think Foster is a better option to tour than Read although didn't he go on the last Lions tour and disappoint? I'd like to look to the next generation really but I can't see Mustard deserving a go and Davies has done little to merit a go recently.
What's the score with Kieswetter? Is he English yet? Have SA shown any interest in him?
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What's the score with Kieswetter? Is he English yet? Have SA shown any interest in him?
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Old 7th July 2008, 14:06   #129
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Your two categories overlap anyway, as in Prior's case having been tried and failed doesn't stop him being in the "likely to be in the squad" category...
Tried and failed, yet young enough to get a possible recall in the future, as Chris Read was a couple of times. Whether Prior can show he has improved more than Read was capable of doing, we won't know until he is recalled. I think we are a bit harsh on those who don't get everything right on their first spell in international cricket. It's not as if he's been a multiple failure yet like Read or Ramprakash, so he'll remain in the reckoning. I don't think those who have played since Prior have been better cricketers in all honesty
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What's the score with Kieswetter? Is he English yet? Have SA shown any interest in him?
in all honesty i don't think he is all that and we have Kuhn and De Villiers in waiting.
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I wonder if the EPP squad will go back to India if the England squad do? Would Bresnan and Trott go with them?

How can Amjad Khan get called up when he has bowled 145.1 overs in two years?
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I wonder if the EPP squad will go back to India if the England squad do? Would Bresnan and Trott go with them?

How can Amjad Khan get called up when he has bowled 145.1 overs in two years?
Because Michael Vaughan likes him, obviously.

Have you seen any more mention of why Bresnan wasn't over there?
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Apparently someone decided he needed to be rested instead. Can't recall if it was Yorkshire or the ECB.
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Well when they name the squads for the West Indies tomorrow I suppose they will be naming the Lions squad for New Zealand. I can't see too many changes because the Performance squad didn't get a chance to perform out in India. Some of the squad who went out to Hong Kong for the Sixes might get a place.

ODIs?
Bresnan - ODIs?
Denly - ODIs?
Khan - ODIs

Tests?
Rashid

1 MDavies
2 S Davies
3 Joseph
4 Key
5 Mahmood
6 Malan
7 Morgan
8 Moore
9 Plunkett
10 Rayner
11 Trott
12 Mascarenhas
13 Napier
14 Bell
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Well when they name the squads for the West Indies tomorrow I suppose they will be naming the Lions squad for New Zealand. I can't see too many changes because the Performance squad didn't get a chance to perform out in India. Some of the squad who went out to Hong Kong for the Sixes might get a place.

ODIs?
Bresnan - ODIs?
Denly - ODIs?
Khan - ODIs

Tests?
Rashid

1 MDavies
2 S Davies
3 Joseph
4 Key
5 Mahmood
6 Malan
7 Morgan
8 Moore
9 Plunkett
10 Rayner
11 Trott
12 Mascarenhas
13 Napier
14 Bell
I wouldn't have thought so.
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1. Robert Key (captain, Kent)
2. Gareth Batty (Worcestershire)
3. Ravi Bopara (Essex)
4. Mark Davies (Durham)
5. Steven Davies (Worcestershire)*
6. Joe Denly (Kent)
7. Amjad Khan (Kent)
8. Sajid Mahmood (Lancashire)
9. Stephen Moore (Worcestershire)
10. Eoin Morgan (Middlesex)
11. Samit Patel (Nottinghamshire)
12. Liam Plunkett (Durham)
13. Jonathan Trott (Warwickshire)
14. Luke Wright (Sussex)
WHAT????????
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WHAT????????
My reaction as well.

I'm amazed Malan hasn't made it onto the Lions squad as well.

I thought Rayner was supposed to be the next spinner in line.

1. Robert Key (captain, Kent)
2. Joe Denly (Kent)
3. Jonathan Trott (Warwickshire)
4. Ravi Bopara (Essex)
5. Eoin Morgan (Middlesex)
6. Samit Patel (Nottinghamshire)
7. Steven Davies (Worcestershire)*
8. Liam Plunkett (Durham)
9. Amjad Khan (Kent)
10. Sajid Mahmood (Lancashire)
11. Mark Davies (Durham)

Luke Wright (Sussex)
Gareth Batty (Worcestershire)
Stephen Moore (Worcestershire)
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Its because Batty thinks he has a doosra. An opinion not shared by any who have watched or faced him, sadly.
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Gareth Batty? This is April 1st, right?!!!
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Its because Batty thinks he has a doosra. An opinion not shared by any who have watched or faced him, sadly.
But that was years ago. Surely it's been proven by now that his doosra (the one that doesn't spin the other way) is actually no different to the other weapons in his arsenal: the straight one and the non-spinning off break?

The only plausible reason I can think of is that on the last England A tour to the West Indies, he took five wickets against a local team, and the selectors are expecting some sort of spinner-plague to hit the Carribbean in the near future.
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