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Old 31st December 2008, 13:32   #161
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He bowls the doosra so often probably more than Murali, so commentators don't mention it, i don't know what FS is saying but on commentary they were showing during one spell Bhajii was bowling nearly 2/3 doosras every over. Bu the way what is the fascination of english bowlers learning the doosra? Louden started it off looks like there is a queue for others to be learning it.
Agreed. I even seem to recall the commentators saying he was overbowling it at one stage.


The fascination of English bowlers learning the doosra is because if you look at all the top spin bowlers in world cricket in recent years, the real match winners (Murali, Harbhajan, Batty, Saqlain plus all the leggies), they've all been able to turn it both ways. I don't believe this to be a coincidence.
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Old 31st December 2008, 13:36   #162
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From what I understand Mendis does something a bit similar (but obviously far more drastic and more spectacular) with his "carrom ball'.
Yep, i think he flicks that delivery of his middle finger when he bowls it.
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Old 31st December 2008, 16:33   #163
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He bowls the doosra so often probably more than Murali, so commentators don't mention it, i don't know what FS is saying but on commentary they were showing during one spell Bhajii was bowling nearly 2/3 doosras every over. Bu the way what is the fascination of english bowlers learning the doosra? Louden started it off looks like there is a queue for others to be learning it.
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Louden never bowler a true doosra (ie like saqlain or harbhajan - i am leaving Murali out of this as his arm and wrist are abnormal so others can't really emulate him). Louden flicked the ball of one finger so that it would go a little bit the other way, almost like an arm ball with a little bit extra.

As for whether ripping doosras can be bowled rather than thrown I am inclined to agree with Dan Vettorri (as reported in Boock's biography of Stephen Fleming - essentially that it cant be done accurately without some deliberate straightening of the elbow. As to whether that could be done while keeping within the 15 degree rule, well, who knows, but if a large chunk of the 15 degree allowance is already accounted for by involantary straightening then if it is possible it must be very difficult indeed.
What Bison says, really. If Harbhajan is bowling the doosra all the time, it's not the same doosra he used to bowl.
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Old 3rd January 2009, 18:58   #164
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Where is Rayner? The selection of Gareth Batty is a complete joke!

Luke Wright is extremely lucky to have been selected! He hasn't managed more than 15 first class wickets in a season during his five years at Sussex!
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Old 3rd January 2009, 21:22   #165
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Where is Rayner? The selection of Gareth Batty is a complete joke!
It's the worst piece of selection I can recall since Mustard was chosen as reserve keeper for the test tour of Sri Lanka and at least that selection had a possible, although very unlikely, upside. This is simply inexplicable.

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Luke Wright is extremely lucky to have been selected! He hasn't managed more than 15 first class wickets in a season during his five years at Sussex!
There's potentially something about Wright, even though his overall record doesn't stand up to much scrutiny.
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Old 3rd January 2009, 21:40   #166
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yes Luke has potential but he has been mucked around by England (never really batting or bowling) and would benefit from the bread and butter of county cricket for a season
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Old 3rd January 2009, 22:05   #167
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The tour isn't just first class though - Wright should be worth his place for the one-day games
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Old 4th January 2009, 10:57   #168
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yes Luke has potential but he has been mucked around by England (never really batting or bowling) and would benefit from the bread and butter of county cricket for a season
I agree what Luke really needs at this moment is first team action away from the media spotlight of international cricket.
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Old 8th April 2009, 11:51   #169
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England Performance Squad 2009

ECB have announced their 25 man EPS for this summer. Foster, Key and Mahmood all feature along with all players on central and incremental contracts. Looks like Foster will be the twenty20 keeper this summer.

England Performance Squad 2009:

Essex wicketkeeper James Foster will challenge for the England gloves this summer

Tim Ambrose (Warwickshire) +
James Anderson (Lancashire) *
Ian Bell (Warwickshire) *
Ravi Bopara (Essex) +
Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire) *
Paul Collingwood (Durham)*
Alastair Cook (Essex)*
Andrew Flintoff (Lancashire) *
James Foster (Essex)
Stephen Harmison (Durham)*
Robert Key (Kent)
Amjad Khan (Kent)
Dimitri Mascarenhas (Hampshire)
Sajid Mahmood (Lancashire)
Monty Panesar (Northamptonshire)*
Samit Patel (Nottinghamshire)+
Kevin Pietersen (Hampshire)*
Matthew Prior (Sussex) +
Adil Rashid (Yorkshire)
Owais Shah (Middlesex) +
Andrew Strauss (Middlesex)*
Ryan Sidebottom (Nottinghamshire)*
Graeme Swann (Nottinghamshire) +
Michael Vaughan (Yorkshire)*
Luke Wright (Sussex) +

* denotes 12 players on 12-month ECB contracts
+ denotes seven players on ECB increment contracts
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Old 8th April 2009, 11:55   #170
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Have we actually managed to establish what the point in this squad is?
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Old 8th April 2009, 12:25   #171
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Where's Kabir???

Good to see Key back - and Foster for the keeper purists who'd given up on glovesmanship being a factor. But;like Sharkey, Im a bit unsure what this squad is aboiut
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Old 8th April 2009, 12:31   #172
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utterly, utterly laughable. saj mahmood averaged about 50 in the lions tour of NZ and is in. mark davies was by far our best bowler in the two "tests" and is ignored.

amjad khan, is he even fit now?

and yet still harmison lingers around the international team. why? why the ****?
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Old 8th April 2009, 12:32   #173
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Have we actually managed to establish what the point in this squad is?
I was just going to ask the same thing.
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Old 8th April 2009, 12:52   #174
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isnt the point of it to be able to exercise some control over these players, re when they can or cant play
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Old 8th April 2009, 12:59   #175
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So this is the old Development Squad. It gets confusing because they have a England Performance Programme Squad which goes on tour before they select the Lions squad and is made up of younger players with potential.

Missing from the 2007 squad of 25 are

Hoggard
Tremlett
Carberry
Mustard
Tredwell

Since 2005 when the ECB started this Development/Performance squad here are the ones who are no longer there -

Trescothick, Butcher, Thorpe, GJones, Giles, SJones, Solanki, Read, Batty, Ali, Wharf, Gough, Tremlett, Lewis, Blackwell, Clarke, Joyce, Loudon, Plunkett, Dalrymple, Onions, Nixon, Yardy, Trott, Carberry, Mustard, Tredwell.

Eight players have been in it every year since it started -

Strauss, Vaughan, Flintoff, Harmison, Anderson, Bell, Pietersen, Collingwood.
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Good to see Foster in the squad but Mahmood someone is having a ******* laugh.
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Does this mean Vaughan has had his contract renewed, or was that last September?
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In the Independent

Vaughan recalled to Ashes squad
England picked former captain Michael Vaughan today in a 25-man performance squad from which its Ashes team will be drawn.

I don't think that is true.
So does that rule out Pattinson, Hoggard, Tremlett, SJones, MDavies, Ali, Plunkett, Trott, Moore, Bresnan. They are talking about the MCC v Durham game as a chance to impress the selectors but some of them aren't in the Performance Squad.
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England selection remains as laughable as ever.

What is the aim of this development squad? To keep and eye on youngsters? To keep an eye on players very close to test status? Both?

At the end of the day it should be looking to develop England into a better side, there is NO WAY that several players in that squad have any hand in England getting better.

What about Tremlett? Davies? Trott? Moore? Bresnan? Napier?

GIVE SOMEONE ELSE A GO.

As for Vaughan making it into the Ashes squad....
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Does this mean Vaughan has had his contract renewed, or was that last September?
Last September - runs out this September
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