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Old 9th September 2008, 11:36   #41
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I think vaughan's case is slightly different since he has given so much to the game in the last 5 years. I haven't said he should have one, but I could live with it

I would certainly tour with him, but if it were up to me, he wouldn't get a contract. Definitely not guaranteed to be in the starting XI (Shah and Bopara far more deserving)
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Old 9th September 2008, 12:04   #42
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I think the problem is that too many central contracts are handed out. That may seem a little stupid to some, but ultimately the England side is often an unsettled one because we lack the batting calibre that teams like Australia and India possess. The way forward for me would be to hand out central contracts only to those players who have performed consistently in the past 12 months, whilst giving the players who are viewed as probable inclusions in the next few tours either 3 month or 6 month contracts. To be honest, the powers that be should probably consider disbanding the current idea of central contracts and simply offer players 3 month rolling contracts if they are not an integral part of the side.

However, the advent of the IPL has destroyed that possibility somewhat due to the possibility of certain players going freelance.
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Old 9th September 2008, 14:08   #43
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12 Month "Full" Contracts:

James Anderson (Lancashire)
Ian Bell (Warwickshire)
Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire)
Paul Collingwood (Durham)
Alastair Cook (Essex)
Andrew Flintoff (Lancashire)
Stephen Harmison (Durham)
Monty Panesar (Northamptonshire)
Kevin Pietersen (Hampshire)
Ryan Sidebottom (Nottinghamshire)
Andrew Strauss (Middlesex)
Michael Vaughan (Yorkshire)

Increment contracts:

Tim Ambrose (Warwickshire)
Ravi Bopara (Essex)
Samit Patel (Nottinghamshire)
Matthew Prior (Sussex)
Owais Shah (Middlesex)
Graeme Swann (Nottinghamshire)
Luke Wright (Sussex)


Jobs for the boys.
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Old 9th September 2008, 14:14   #44
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Im pleased for Tim and my own sanity re the keeper's position. Wouldnt have included Vaughan or Strauss, but there you go.
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Old 9th September 2008, 14:26   #45
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To my mind Ambrose is the only one on there with a question mark- he really didn't cut the mustard this year. Prior will be a little disappointed I feel, but at least now he has time to make his mark and the place his own - which I hope he does - in which case I guess his contract can be upgraded.

But, yes, jobs for the boys
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Old 9th September 2008, 14:27   #46
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Im pleased for Tim and my own sanity re the keeper's position. Wouldnt have included Vaughan or Strauss, but there you go.

I'm surprised Ambrose is in there. If Prior screws up it's hard to believe they'll go back to Ambrose.
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Old 9th September 2008, 14:28   #47
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I'm surprised Ambrose is in there. If Prior screws up it's hard to believe they'll go back to Ambrose.
Why?

Who would you got to then?
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Old 9th September 2008, 14:29   #48
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Not sure why Ambrose gets an increment pension.

I think Vaughan is lucky to get his central pension rather than an increment pension, particularly as only plays one form of the game. Why don't they just rename them test and one-day contracts?

Strauss' central pension is clearly an administerial oversight.
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Who would you got to then?
The next cab off the rank........Foster. But I'd stick with Prior anyway.
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I think that there is something in Mike Atherton's idea that they have more contracts but with the money bieng weighted towards appearences.
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I'd like to pretend I'm shocked that big Mike and the Straussinator have central contratcs but I can't. Jobs for the boys. Are we really saying those twelve players will win us the Ashes next year?
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I suppose that, for instance, MV can have a central contract but still not play for Engliand? I know it smacks of sentimentality and nepotism, but because Vaughan's contribution has been so great I don't mind it too much.

Struass's inclusion, and Hoggard's exclusion, however, are unforgivable
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Old 9th September 2008, 14:40   #53
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I can't believe Vaughan has been given a central contract. If he had not been captain he would have been dropped a long time ago.
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I can't believe Vaughan has been given a central contract. If he had not been captain he would have been dropped a long time ago.
You can't believe it.

Or just can't understand it
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Old 9th September 2008, 14:44   #55
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I think Colly's probably quite lucky as well, given his wretched year.

I bet he wouldn't have got it if he was a bowler
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How is Alistair Cook in the 20/20 team?!

He has played 5 20/20 games, averages 10 and has a strike rate of 89! Is he really a better choice than Denly or Key?
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How is Alistair Cook in the 20/20 team?!

He has played 5 20/20 games, averages 10 and has a strike rate of 89! Is he really a better choice than Denly or Key?
Good pick-up.

Did someone mention, jobs for the boys?
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Old 9th September 2008, 15:15   #58
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Which other batsmen would England have given central contracts to, if not Vaughan and Strauss?

IMO it's not the choices themselves, but the system of central contracts which is at fault - you're effectively giving a contract to whoever's in the team at an arbitrary point in the year, for the entire year to come. I'm not sure I completely understand the 'incremental' contracts yet, but it sounds like a move in the right direction (if a bit of a fudge at the same time)
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How is Alistair Cook in the 20/20 team?!



Now that really is just plain stupid.
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Which other batsmen would England have given central contracts to, if not Vaughan and Strauss?

IMO it's not the choices themselves, but the system of central contracts which is at fault - you're effectively giving a contract to whoever's in the team at an arbitrary point in the year, for the entire year to come. I'm not sure I completely understand the 'incremental' contracts yet, but it sounds like a move in the right direction (if a bit of a fudge at the same time)
I think thats right. The other issue is why do they have to give 12 if 12 dont deserve it?
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