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Old 2nd June 2011, 11:56   #181
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I think Kim should spread his stats even wider around the internets.
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Old 2nd June 2011, 11:58   #182
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Having suffered the displeasure of reading what Pringle has written twice, I think he meant to say that Trott has only two run-scoring shots against the spinners.
Possibly but there aren't any real clues to that being what he means in there, other than the notion that even a cretin of Pringle's stripe can't really have meant that Trott has only two scoring shots in total. I suppose he might have been attempting to be funny, but he failed quite badly if so.
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Old 2nd June 2011, 12:03   #183
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I think Kim should spread his stats even wider around the internets.
They're mostly other people's stats but I suppose the point still holds.
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Old 2nd June 2011, 12:25   #184
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I see your comment So what is the story around the SA appearance, I hadn't anything about him or Arthur's gestures.
It was the match where England were blown away. 7 of the top 8 got 49 between them in the second innings - but for some reason the media focused on Trotts second innings. Arthur did make the gesture but the inference that pressure had got to Trott was the error. What actually happened was that, in view of the conditions, he was told to go for his shots, on the basis that the wicket was going to get you one way or the other. He did. And Failed.

But playing a poor shot when told to attack is different from playing a poor shot because youve gone funny in the head.

And no anger management course followed either.

Instead of writing this sort of crap Pringle should reflect on what he wrote when Trott was picked in 2009 - "And Trott is most certainly not a Test-match No 3, probably not a No 4 either" .
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So Pringle has moved on from Bell to Trott as his latest victim of damnation with faint praise. What has going bald got to do with anything? As little as being short in stature and freckled.

It is totally baffling that the best England #3 for years is coming in for such mealy mouthed reviews. Do the pundits want England to win matches and become the best test cricket team in the world or not?
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Old 2nd June 2011, 12:58   #186
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So Pringle has moved on from Bell to Trott as his latest victim of damnation with faint praise. What has going bald got to do with anything? As little as being short in stature and freckled.

It is totally baffling that the best England #3 for years is coming in for such mealy mouthed reviews. Do the pundits want England to win matches and become the best test cricket team in the world or not?
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Don't really think Pringle has it in him to produce decent and sensible journalism, so it's perhaps a little unfair, although obviously fun, to point out how badly he's failing to do so.
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Stephen Brenckley today - "Trott lacks style".

Stephen , as your definition of style involves pink trousers, bright orange tshirts and a tatty rucksack (no doubt filled with the nicked few croissantes left after youve gorged yourself on Cricket Writers), I rather hope he does.
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He does have a point. Trott is not a stylish batsman. He is limited against spin and doesn't seem to be able to accelerate. He's a run scoring machine but so is Kallis and nobody likes him either.
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He does have a point. Trott is not a stylish batsman. He is limited against spin and doesn't seem to be able to accelerate. He's a run scoring machine but so is Kallis and nobody likes him either.
If only he had Denly's syle and panache, eh?

No runs given for Style - it's not "Strictly Come Batting".
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He does have a point. Trott is not a stylish batsman. He is limited against spin and doesn't seem to be able to accelerate. He's a run scoring machine but so is Kallis and nobody likes him either.
Both play match losing innings, right?
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Both play match losing innings, right?
Certainly Kallis does. I can think of the odd time when Trott could have won an ODI if he could accelerate but to be honest the rest of the team is generally more culpable. I think there are valid criticisms of Trott and what a player he would be if he could add that extra little bit to his game.
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He does have a point. Trott is not a stylish batsman. He is limited against spin and doesn't seem to be able to accelerate. He's a run scoring machine but so is Kallis and nobody likes him either.
So now we have a player who scores lots and lots of runs without doing so in an appropriately stylish manner and the pundits don't like it. We also have a very stylish batsman who is a delight to watch but too often used to get out when set. In those days style was considered superfluous to the more important matter of scoring a lot of runs, hence the derogatory use of the word "pretty".

Some people are just never satisfied.

I suppose ideally they want a very stylish batsman whose batting evokes oohs and aahs from the crowd all day long and who never gets out. Failing that, they could settle for Trott at one end and Bell at the other, something that we might be seeing quite a bit of in future.
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Old 2nd June 2011, 14:55   #194
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So now we have a player who scores lots and lots of runs without doing so in an appropriately stylish manner and the pundits don't like it. We also have a very stylish batsman who is a delight to watch but too often used to get out when set. In those days style was considered superfluous to the more important matter of scoring a lot of runs, hence the derogatory use of the word "pretty".

Some people are just never satisfied.

I suppose ideally they want a very stylish batsman whose batting evokes oohs and aahs from the crowd all day long and who never gets out. Failing that, they could settle for Trott at one end and Bell at the other, something that we might be seeing quite a bit of in future.
Everyone is delighted that Trott scores so many runs ... but what do you want them to do? Pretend that he's perfect?
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Everyone is delighted that Trott scores so many runs ... but what do you want them to do? Pretend that he's perfect?
In their "honeymoon periods" players should surely be entitled to some wholehearted approbation before the knives come out? This is known as setting someone up in order to knock them down. Trott is being knocked down at the same time as being set up.
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I wish we had seven Jonathan Trott's in our batting line-up.

Ok maybe six and Alistair Cook.
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We also have a very stylish batsman who is a delight to watch but too often used to get out when set. In those days style was considered superfluous to the more important matter of scoring a lot of runs, hence the derogatory use of the word "pretty".
Matter of opinion that. I think he is very technically correct and think he is an increasingly sound all round player but I wouldn't say he is without some style, but when I think about the likes of SRT/Laxman/Jaya/Sang et al. I just don't think he gets close. I think the use of the word "pretty" wasn't derogatory, just an annoyance from fans and pundits that Bell often kept getting decent minor scores for a long while.

If you didn't live in a parralel where Bell wasn't mortal it was one of those things that you couldn't help agreeing with.

As for Trott, it's rather silly that he's getting any stick, he scores loads of runs and he does so from no.3 so a large number of fans aren't particularly hacked off. He's not a super stylist but I actually think he's rather decent technically and sometimes seems to cover drive with a moderate amount of finesse although not to the extent of Bell.
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In their "honeymoon periods" players should surely be entitled to some wholehearted approbation before the knives come out? This is known as setting someone up in order to knock them down. Trott is being knocked down at the same time as being set up.
Can't say I object too much to a spade being called a spade, though as Kim suggests, it is better if the facts are right. It may be that we're beginning to see a pattern whereby foreign imports into the England team get a bit more stick than the home boys.
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Can't say I object too much to a spade being called a spade, though as Kim suggests, it is better if the facts are right. It may be that we're beginning to see a pattern whereby foreign imports into the England team get a bit more stick than the home boys.
Like Bell and The Fat One (though now he's a colonial that blends in with flat pitches or something, so maybe he's not a home boy)?

When it comes to tests, I think the majority of England supporters don't have an issue with Trott. And I don't think the criticism has been all that damning either, just a few people commenting on his style and people picking up on that and ignoring anything else.
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It may be that we're beginning to see a pattern whereby foreign imports into the England team get a bit more stick than the home boys.
Yeah KP is hated by the media.
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