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Old 31st August 2010, 19:44   #81
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That's not the deal though, is it? Broad also contributed to getting Pakistan out cheaply twice.
There have been joint awards in the past. I don't think either of them could have done it without the other and I think Trott should have been included. I don't believe that Broad's couple of early wickets outweighed Trott's battling batting to get the team to three figures when 7 wickets fell at the other end. Without that England would have been all out for a lot less and Broad would not have been able to play the innings he did. I know Trott got the Series award but he deserves specific recognition for that innings.
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Old 31st August 2010, 20:11   #82
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There have been joint awards in the past. I don't think either of them could have done it without the other and I think Trott should have been included. I don't believe that Broad's couple of early wickets outweighed Trott's battling batting to get the team to three figures when 7 wickets fell at the other end. Without that England would have been all out for a lot less and Broad would not have been able to play the innings he did. I know Trott got the Series award but he deserves specific recognition for that innings.
It was a great innings by Trott, but he is a top order batsman and thus seen as capable of such innings. Broad's feat, plus his wickets, made him the deserved MOM.
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Old 31st August 2010, 20:24   #83
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If it's so routine for top order batsmen to do so well, how come they get so many Man of the Match awards then? It's hard work sometimes even for specialist batsmen. Broad's innings was also special which is why I think it should have been a joint award. In 1995 when Atherton played his great match saving innings of 185* he shared the match award with Jack Russell, who made 29* from 235 balls in a stand of 119 with Athers. A wonderful selfless effort and it needed both of them to stay in to ensure the draw.
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Old 31st August 2010, 20:37   #84
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Where did I say it was routine? But Trott's innings was definitely enhanced by some shocking performances in the middle order.
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Where did I say it was routine? But Trott's innings was definitely enhanced by some shocking performances in the middle order.
You were suggesting we expect top order batsmen to play such innings when required. Perhaps "routine" was the wrong word. But when you say his performance was enhanced by shocking ones from others do you mean that it made him look better? There have been many occasions when England have collapsed in a heap without anyone standing firm like Trott did so I give him a great deal of credit for that. However, Broad also played very well indeed so I am happy to let matters rest and not argue further.
They should have given a joint award though.
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You were suggesting we expect top order batsmen to play such innings when required. Perhaps "routine" was the wrong word. But when you say his performance was enhanced by shocking ones from others do you mean that it made him look better? There have been many occasions when England have collapsed in a heap without anyone standing firm like Trott did so I give him a great deal of credit for that. However, Broad also played very well indeed so I am happy to let matters rest and not argue further.
They should have given a joint award though.
No, I merely said he is capable of such innings. Are my expectations too high of international top order batsmen to believe they have the ability to score the thick end of a double ton? A fine achievement yes, but still within their abilities.

Surely it is less expected for a no. 9 to score top side of 150? As an allrounder he then has the advantage of taking some wickets, which, like with Trott and his runs, you would expect a bowler to take, but combine the 2 and he shaded it for me.

But yes, this could go on all night. It was nice to have 2 such fine performances to split hairs over though
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Old 31st August 2010, 21:58   #87
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Trotty doesnt care about such stuff. His baby is due any time now - a girl.

Good to see him at Warwicks today (and yesterday).
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No, I merely said he is capable of such innings. Are my expectations too high of international top order batsmen to believe they have the ability to score the thick end of a double ton? A fine achievement yes, but still within their abilities.

Surely it is less expected for a no. 9 to score top side of 150? As an allrounder he then has the advantage of taking some wickets, which, like with Trott and his runs, you would expect a bowler to take, but combine the 2 and he shaded it for me.

But yes, this could go on all night. It was nice to have 2 such fine performances to split hairs over though
I'm becoming increasingly worried about this but again, I agree with you. I wouldn't give Broad more credit than Trott for his batting just because he's a number 9 rather than a number 3 but his wickets on top suffice to justify the award.
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I'm becoming increasingly worried about this but again, I agree with you. I wouldn't give Broad more credit than Trott for his batting just because he's a number 9 rather than a number 3 but his wickets on top suffice to justify the award.
Come on, admit it, this is the start of a very clever WUM campaign on me isn't it?!
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Old 31st August 2010, 22:19   #90
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Trotty doesnt care about such stuff. His baby is due any time now - a girl.

Good to see him at Warwicks today (and yesterday).
MOM or not that is a first.
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Old 31st August 2010, 22:24   #91
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Come on, admit it, this is the start of a very clever WUM campaign on me isn't it?!
I certainly wouldn't call it the start.
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I certainly wouldn't call it the start.
Fair enough, a change of tack then
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Old 22nd September 2010, 19:18   #93
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One or two on the good ship 24/7 should read bits of this quite carefully
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Old 23rd September 2010, 00:09   #94
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Trottster is the best No3 we have had since.....???? This guy can bat at 3.
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One or two on the good ship 24/7 should read bits of this quite carefully
Maybe Wahab Riaz should too? Although I suppose in a way he knows Trott more personally than any of us are likely to......
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Maybe Wahab Riaz should too? Although I suppose in a way he knows Trott more personally than any of us are likely to......
I dunno, I could probably get Trott to strangle me...
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If Trott was a lion you could possibly get him to eat you.
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Old 26th September 2010, 11:08   #99
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This is alleged to have happened during the third test so I don't understand why it has taken this long to come out.

Have the NOTW run out of match fixing stories?
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Trotty has previous in this area though. Quite a lot of it.
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