The Ashes in Australia 2017/18 - Page 45

Jock McTuffnel v3 · 3rd January 2018, 12:48

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Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora

Hopefully he will do well but my man on the ground says he has been very poor in the nets.

Your man isn't Stoneman then - he was raving about his bowling on SSN.

or Root - from Cricinfo

Root said. "The way he has conducted himself for the whole trip has been outstanding. I can see a big progression in his game and the way he went about those T20s in an England shirt shows he is not going to back down from any challenge. He has bowled well when he has had the opportunities on this trip."

**stevieh** · 3rd January 2018, 14:57

In his Guardian report, Vic Marks says Crane could give England’s attack “a lift”, while acknowledging it has “been a long tour”.

Sir Virgs and Zamora · 3rd January 2018, 15:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jock McTuffnel v3

Your man isn't Stoneman then - he was raving about his bowling on SSN.

or Root - from Cricinfo

Root said. "The way he has conducted himself for the whole trip has been outstanding. I can see a big progression in his game and the way he went about those T20s in an England shirt shows he is not going to back down from any challenge. He has bowled well when he has had the opportunities on this trip."

Lol. What else would they say? I hope I am wrong.

sharky · 3rd January 2018, 18:22

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Originally Posted by 1000yardstare

I can't believe the selection. Is Root crazy? He had more faith in Malan than Ali.

Then I look at the fast bowling choices
Overton - says the Test has come to early for him
Woakes - minor side strain but will play the ODIs
Ball - he is in the ODI team
Wood - bowled 16 overs in the tour match, in ODI team.

Couldn't Wood even bowl 15 overs? I think we will only bowl once anyway and follow on.

I believe Garton is out there too as a net bowler if things get really desperate.

sanskritsimon · 3rd January 2018, 20:30

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Originally Posted by 1000yardstare

I am imagining

Anderson 26-11-56-2
Broad 21-9-60-1
Curran 27-3-76-2
Vince 11-2-36-0
Crane 38-1-190-1
Ali 12-0-46-0
Malan 28-4-60-1

Cook 0 16
Stone 18 31
Vince 0 3
Root 51 46
Malan 105 34*
Bairstow 16 29
Ali 16 6
Curran 18 2
Broad 0 14
Crane 34 1
Anderson 0* 4

Why not just imagine something a bit nicer?

sanskritsimon · 8th January 2018, 14:01

My verdict:

Batting:
Cook (ave. 47): nice innings but where were you the rest of the time?
Root (47): FFS just stay in longer.
Malan (43): well done sir.
Bairstow (34): flatters to deceive.
the rest (Vince, Stoneman, Ali): pants.

Bowling:
Anderson (3.4 wickets per match): better than the rest.
Overton (3): might do well on juicy pitches.
the rest (Woakes 2.5, Broad 2, Curran 1, Crane 1, Ali 1, Ball 1): pants.

Overall:
Cook 4/10
Stoneman 2
Vince 2
Root 4
Malan 5
Bairstow 3
Ali 1
Woakes 2
Broad 2
Curran 1
Crane 2
Ball 1
Anderson 4
Overton 3

Jock McTuffnel v3 · 9th January 2018, 09:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanskritsimon

My verdict:

Batting:
Cook (ave. 47): nice innings but where were you the rest of the time?
Root (47): FFS just stay in longer.
Malan (43): well done sir.
Bairstow (34): flatters to deceive.
the rest (Vince, Stoneman, Ali): pants.

Bowling:
Anderson (3.4 wickets per match): better than the rest.
Overton (3): might do well on juicy pitches.
the rest (Woakes 2.5, Broad 2, Curran 1, Crane 1, Ali 1, Ball 1): pants.

Overall:
Cook 4/10
Stoneman 2
Vince 2
Root 4
Malan 5
Bairstow 3
Ali 1
Woakes 2
Broad 2
Curran 1
Crane 2
Ball 1
Anderson 4
Overton 3

4 is a bit harsh on Jimmy.

Otherwise you weren't far off Dobell's ratings for cricinfo - you were more generous to Moeen than he was.

MRNC4.0 · 9th January 2018, 09:48

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Originally Posted by Jock McTuffnel v3

4 is a bit harsh on Jimmy.

Otherwise you weren't far off Dobell's ratings for cricinfo - you were more generous to Moeen than he was.

Can you link me? I can't find the ratings for either side?

Jock McTuffnel v3 · 9th January 2018, 09:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by MRNC4.0

Can you link me? I can't find the ratings for either side?

Good point !

Jimmy top with 7.5

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/...-silver-lining

MRNC4.0 · 9th January 2018, 10:07

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Originally Posted by Jock McTuffnel v3

Good point !

Jimmy top with 7.5

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/...-silver-lining

Yikes, poor Moeen.

Jock McTuffnel v3 · 9th January 2018, 10:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by MRNC4.0

Yikes, poor Moeen.

"0.5

Moeen Ali (179 runs at 19.88; 5 wickets at 115)
He turned up on time and always wore the right kit but that was about as good as things got for Moeen. Unable to contribute with either bat or ball, Moeen had a horrible series and was probably fortunate to retain his place. "

Sir Virgs and Zamora · 9th January 2018, 10:20

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Originally Posted by Jock McTuffnel v3

"0.5

Moeen Ali (179 runs at 19.88; 5 wickets at 115)
He defied early tour injury and turned up on time and always wore the right kit but that was about as good as things got for Moeen. Unable to contribute with either bat or ball, Moeen had a horrible series and only retained his place because the selectors seemed that we didn't need to take a spin bowler who could play in a four man attack on tour. "

Corrected the above with some explanation.

Jock McTuffnel v3 · 9th January 2018, 10:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora

Corrected the above with some explanation.

I hoped we have moved beyond arguing about who is the tallest dwarf.

thedon · 10th January 2018, 05:14

Credit to Anderson this series. One of his better ones despite nowhere near his best figures. Always thought he had a tendency to go mia a bit when conditions were unfavourable. Though he stuck to it here and bowled quite well on some of the most unfavourable wickets he will ever see.

Pitch ratings.

Gabba...2
WACA....3
Adelaide...5
MCG...-10
SCG...2

CA have got to do something about our pitches. They were generally dull, lacked any pace or bounce, apart from a little bit at the WACA. Gave the bowlers nothing much, didn't seem great to bat on either, nor was it great to watch. Suppose they will say they all went to 5th day with only one draw, but surely some excitement could be a good thing. Only way to get that is to give the bowlers something to work with. If matches don't go the distance on our normal style wickets, who cares.

Sir Coolerking · 10th January 2018, 08:17

I can't help thinking the pitches were doctored to your needs!!

thedon · 10th January 2018, 09:15

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Originally Posted by Sir Coolerking

I can't help thinking the pitches were doctored to your needs!!

Lol.

For CA's needs more likely. Revenue.

Sir Coolerking · 10th January 2018, 09:19

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Originally Posted by thedon

Lol.

For CA's needs more likely. Revenue.

You're probably not wrong.

And the more I think about it, the fact it was the 2 London grounds in 2015 that offered up the best for batting and thus guaranteeing 4 days of revenue is probably not a complete coincidence either.

10th January 2018, 05:14	#894
thedon County Pro Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 958	Credit to Anderson this series. One of his better ones despite nowhere near his best figures. Always thought he had a tendency to go mia a bit when conditions were unfavourable. Though he stuck to it here and bowled quite well on some of the most unfavourable wickets he will ever see. Pitch ratings. Gabba...2 WACA....3 Adelaide...5 MCG...-10 SCG...2 CA have got to do something about our pitches. They were generally dull, lacked any pace or bounce, apart from a little bit at the WACA. Gave the bowlers nothing much, didn't seem great to bat on either, nor was it great to watch. Suppose they will say they all went to 5th day with only one draw, but surely some excitement could be a good thing. Only way to get that is to give the bowlers something to work with. If matches don't go the distance on our normal style wickets, who cares. __________________ carpe diem quam minimum credula postero

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3rd January 2018, 14:57	#882
stevieh Administrator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario Team(s): England, Kent, Canada Posts: 6,877	In his Guardian report, Vic Marks says Crane could give England’s attack “a lift”, while acknowledging it has “been a long tour”.

8th January 2018, 14:01	#886
sanskritsimon Posting God Join Date: Mar 2007 Team(s): Arkholme Bees, Hackney Grasshoppers, Holy Cross Academicals Posts: 10,250	My verdict: Batting: Cook (ave. 47): nice innings but where were you the rest of the time? Root (47): FFS just stay in longer. Malan (43): well done sir. Bairstow (34): flatters to deceive. the rest (Vince, Stoneman, Ali): pants. Bowling: Anderson (3.4 wickets per match): better than the rest. Overton (3): might do well on juicy pitches. the rest (Woakes 2.5, Broad 2, Curran 1, Crane 1, Ali 1, Ball 1): pants. Overall: Cook 4/10 Stoneman 2 Vince 2 Root 4 Malan 5 Bairstow 3 Ali 1 Woakes 2 Broad 2 Curran 1 Crane 2 Ball 1 Anderson 4 Overton 3

10th January 2018, 08:17	#895
Sir Coolerking County Pro Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: N Hants Team(s): England, Sussex, Portsmouth Posts: 636	I can't help thinking the pitches were doctored to your needs!!