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Old 12th December 2017, 14:42   #561
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Yeah, thanks for your advice.

As a quid pro quo - you really need to drop Warner & Smith: the first 'cause he's a thug, the latter because his technique is warped...the longer he plays for you, the fewer new batsmen will come through. Really...
Both of them add value to the team, cook adds nothing.

Youre not seriously comparing cook to Smith are you lol?
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Old 12th December 2017, 14:55   #562
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Are you KP in disguise as he's said stuff similar and he certainly has an axe to grind?

Seriously, to be honest I've been thinking a long time that Cook might find this a tour too far. Apart from one series against bowlers who were either injured or woefully out of form, he's been woeful v the Aussies and rather ordinary overall against better than average fast bowling. Perth will be his 150th test. He won't be dropped before the end of this tour though otherwise your quicks will probably have Keaton Jennings to pulverise instead.
Im just an outsider looking in, no idea what KP has said but its clear they need a bit of a clean out and theres no better time than now to do it.

Tough decisions need to be made now, then the cycle of success will come around quicker, putting it offs only slowing the process down and feeding mediocrity.

There might not be a better candidate but i can promise you there will be a hungrier one with a starving attitude that will help create a better environment and better synergy in the camp.

Bayliss might also have to go, im not sure hes the right bloke.
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Old 12th December 2017, 16:06   #563
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There might not be a better candidate but i can promise you there will be a hungrier one with a starving attitude that will help create a better environment and better synergy in the camp.
Yeah keeping the likes Vince in the team over Cook makes so much sense, we could have Duckett come in for Cook he obviously provides a bit more spark to the team harmony!

Have you actually seen England play cricket since the last Ashes, our lack of test quality batsman is rather obvious.......
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Old 12th December 2017, 17:38   #564
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Both of them add value to the team, cook adds nothing.

Youre not seriously comparing cook to Smith are you lol?
No, I was responding to your rather silly proposal with an equally silly one of my own!
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Old 13th December 2017, 16:20   #565
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Yeah keeping the likes Vince in the team over Cook makes so much sense, we could have Duckett come in for Cook he obviously provides a bit more spark to the team harmony!

Have you actually seen England play cricket since the last Ashes, our lack of test quality batsman is rather obvious.......
So whats wrong with English cricket if youve got nobody better than vince and cook? FMD its grim.
You might as well pull up stumps and withdraw from test cricket.
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Old 13th December 2017, 17:00   #566
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So whats wrong with English cricket if youve got nobody better than vince and cook? FMD its grim.
You might as well pull up stumps and withdraw from test cricket.
There's a lot wrong with English cricket in terms of producing test batsman, not much of it new.

You could ask the same of Australia, you're not exactly full of top quality batsman either certainly nothing on the huge amount of top quality batsman who couldn't get in your side 15 years ago.
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Old 13th December 2017, 17:05   #567
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There's a lot wrong with English cricket in terms of producing test batsman, not much of it new.

You could ask the same of Australia, you're not exactly full of top quality batsman either certainly nothing on the huge amount of top quality batsman who couldn't get in your side 15 years ago.
True - I reckon if two of the 4 Aussie bowlers were injured we might have seen different results in the first 2 Tests. The Aussie batting is no better than England's, they just aren't facing as good bowling.
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Old 13th December 2017, 17:41   #568
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True - I reckon if two of the 4 Aussie bowlers were injured we might have seen different results in the first 2 Tests. The Aussie batting is no better than England's, they just aren't facing as good bowling.
Maybe even one - as losing Lyon would unbalance their team.

That said England could have done this by just disrupting Lyon by rotating the strike against him. You don't necessarily need to smack him for 6, just drop and run, or nudge the ball where the fielders aren't.

I know we still aren't allowed to name him, but there's certainly one player who wouldn't have let Lyon bowl at England. He'd have disrupted the Aussie bowling plans and not let them settle. In 2010/11 the Aussies wouldn't have even considered Lyon as they were so obsessed with picking SLAs like Doherty and Beer as they saw him as such a threat. England certainly miss someone like that as in the absence of the other player we're not allowed to name there's no-one that the Aussies really fear and only really Root and Broad that they respect. Banning him hasn't solved team spirit issues and it certainly hasn't improved our middle order.
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Old 14th December 2017, 03:00   #569
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There's a lot wrong with English cricket in terms of producing test batsman, not much of it new.

You could ask the same of Australia, you're not exactly full of top quality batsman either certainly nothing on the huge amount of top quality batsman who couldn't get in your side 15 years ago.
Ive stated the Aussie line up is brittle, but we are talking about England.
Im one of the only blokes here stating England and Australia are closer than many think.

Anyway, there goes cook for 7, the blokes an embarrassment.
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Anyway, there goes cook for 7, the blokes an embarrassment.
What's an Aussie spending so much time slating a Pom who isn't scoring runs?

Did he do something to a member of your family?
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Are we now on another endless search for an opener to partner Stoneman?

Well hopefully not. Hameed should be back next summer.
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Old 14th December 2017, 15:56   #572
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Are we now on another endless search for an opener to partner Stoneman?

Well hopefully not. Hameed should be back next summer.
Was the squad picked for just Australia or for the NZ tour as well?

Will be interesting to see if Cook does a Swann and bails.

Hameed would have 3 Lions unofficial "tests" to prove his form and fitness before NZ.

If Cook holds on until the 1st test of the summer Hameed would have an additional 5 Championship matches to prove form, however 3 of those are at Old Trafford so are liable to be rained off and the second away match might be after the squad's named.
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As said I think we need a number 3 before replacing Cook, I said before last winters tours I wanted Cook to move down to 3 but not sure that's going to make any difference in the near future, is Hameed going to be ready by then it's hard to tell really the Lions games should give us an idea.
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Old 14th December 2017, 16:19   #574
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As said I think we need a number 3 before replacing Cook, I said before last winters tours I wanted Cook to move down to 3 but not sure that's going to make any difference in the near future, is Hameed going to be ready by then it's hard to tell really the Lions games should give us an idea.
England have a 3.

He's a former opener who's currently batting at 4.

Joe Clarke to come into the middle order please.
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Old 14th December 2017, 16:44   #575
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England have a 3.

He's a former opener who's currently batting at 4.

Joe Clarke to come into the middle order please.
Yeah I've said on here I'm open to that as well but about an hour after I wrote that (on Tuesday I think) Root ruled it out........
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Are we now on another endless search for an opener to partner Stoneman?

Well hopefully not. Hameed should be back next summer.
He is back, and averaging 18 in CC.
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He is back, and averaging 18 in CC.
That was last summer, when he had an awful county season; since when he was getting back into form but suffered another hand injury and was out again. Hence the talk of him now getting back for next summer.
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That was last summer, when he had an awful county season; since when he was getting back into form but suffered another hand injury and was out again. Hence the talk of him now getting back for next summer.
What was so bad about Jennings to have been dropped? Surely he'd be more convincing at 3 than Vince.
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What was so bad about Jennings to have been dropped? Surely he'd be more convincing at 3 than Vince.
Vince is about 1,000 times more convincing than Jennings. There didn't seem to be anything worthwhile about Jennings at all, as far as I could see, whereas Vince sometimes stays in for a while, and plays one or two decent shots.
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I'm starting to come round re Vince. Twice in this series he has made decent 50's and been unlucky to get out on both occasions. We all know his wicket shot, but perhaps he's starting to learn how not to play it. He certainly gets the last 2 Tests anyway.
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