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Old 13th December 2017, 10:37   #21
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Bairstow has more runs in the series than Mo.


All seems a bit fiddling round the edges when the team has simply underperformed to a man.
Not all have failed. One averages almost 50 with the bat and 29 with the ball. Harsh to call that failing.
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Old 13th December 2017, 10:43   #22
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Or England realise that moeen is wasted at 6 and baisrstow is wasted at seven and put them in their correct positions. Staggered it took this long.
Moeen should never have been moved from no.7 considering how successful he's been there. The position just seems to suit him while batting with the tail Jonny tends to feel he has to hit everything and gets out.
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Old 13th December 2017, 10:49   #23
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Perth isn't as fast as it used to be. Might be a possibility of replicating this match of more recent vintage?

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/1...ralia-2015-16/
It won't replicate that match. England won't score 600+ runs. They'd muster maybe 350.

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Good point about the possibility of needing another bowler if the pitch is a pancake, and it looks like they would like an extra seam up bowler. Not sure Marsh should be near the team though. It seems they have confused some romantic notion of Keith Miller with what Marsh actually is (or what they believe he could be), and they're not giving up on the delusion easily. He is a mile behind even Watson as an all rounder, and many thought he was a bit of a passenger. Unless their definition of all rounder is someone who could make a reasonable number 8 with the bat, but is not good enough with with the ball to take a bowling possie.

Should move on until he takes state cricket by storm for an extended period. If there isn't a better batting option who can roll the arm seam up and at least be tidy, we should just go with a batsman. Looks like bigshow is on the outer because he bowls part time spin (and isn't one of the boys).
I'm amazed there's no room for Maxwell. He's clearly got it, scored a test century as recently as 4 test matches ago and would have been my pick even before he emphasized it by being the Shield's leading run-scorer this year.

That's before even considering his additional bowling and what an amazing fielder he is.
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Old 13th December 2017, 11:08   #24
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Not all have failed. One averages almost 50 with the bat and 29 with the ball. Harsh to call that failing.
Yes correct - Foakes gets an exemption as he's only played in one test.

But 4 wickets in a match is what each bowler should be delivering - pass marks at best.
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Only problem with that is that Bairstow's form has hardly been brilliant in the last year or so. It may provide him with extra motivation, but I don't see it as being revolutionary. He started the SA series batting a bit further up, but wasn't brilliant then.
At least two of the times Bairstow has been out in this series have been playing shots he wouldn't have done had he not been stuck with the tail.

Mo excels in getting quck 50's, Bairstow doesn't.
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Moeen should never have been moved from no.7 considering how successful he's been there. The position just seems to suit him while batting with the tail Jonny tends to feel he has to hit everything and gets out.
But Bairstow can't keep and bat at number 6 it's too high it's not like he averages over 60 there or something oh wait....

I doubt it's made the slightest difference to the results but it's just mind boggling why they'd put Ali above Bairstow after their results ie Ali batting very well with the tail and Bairstow performing best at 6.
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Old 13th December 2017, 12:36   #27
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Yes correct - Foakes gets an exemption as he's only played in one test.

But 4 wickets in a match is what each bowler should be delivering - pass marks at best.
Which test has Foakes played in?
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Old 13th December 2017, 13:05   #28
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Yes correct - Foakes gets an exemption as he's only played in one test.

But 4 wickets in a match is what each bowler should be delivering - pass marks at best.
And his runs that gave us a sniff of winning? Just give some praise. It isn't hard.
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I shouldn't imagine that swapping Jonny and Mo around will make any difference whatsoever to how many runs we score, but it will nonetheless serve the useful purposes of mollifying the mob of journos and of putting Mo in his place (he's a spin bowler, and Jonny is from Yorkshire).
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And his runs that gave us a sniff of winning? Just give some praise. It isn't hard.
Yeah bravo he had a good knock.

Anyway its a five test series - we shouldn't really hand out the medals or boos after just two games.
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England deserve to get smashed here, it would be the best thing for English cricket because it might force change.
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England deserve to get smashed here, it would be the best thing for English cricket because it might force change.
What sort of change would you advocate?
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What are the session times in the UK?
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What are the session times in the UK?
2.30-4.30am
5.10-7.10am
7.30-9.30am (plus extra half hour)
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2.30-4.30am
5.10-7.10am
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Thank you, sir (or should that be your majesty?).
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what time does it start here? Perth confuses me.
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Always thought it was confusing how playing in Perth makes it later rather than earlier.
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Spot fixing allegations, clearly aimed at Australian players, released by the Sun in relation to the WACA Test:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricke...ewspaper-sting

Including a "World Cup-winning allrounder". Looking at the World Cup Winning team, surely that can only mean Mitchell Starc? Watson and Johnson are retired, Hazlewood isn't an all-rounder, Maxwell and Faulkner aren't playing.
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Spot fixing allegations, clearly aimed at Australian players, released by the Sun in relation to the WACA Test:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricke...ewspaper-sting

Including a "World Cup-winning allrounder". Looking at the World Cup Winning team, surely that can only mean Mitchell Starc? Watson and Johnson are retired, Hazlewood isn't an all-rounder, Maxwell and Faulkner aren't playing.

I don't think Starc qualifies as an all-rounder. Watson did play however. Anyway, the only ones who have been fixed are the Sun for paying money for this tripe. These claims are ludicrous to the point of being unbelievable. No substantive evidence to back up any of the claims. It doesn't give any actionable proof or verified information.
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No substantive evidence to back up any of the claims. It doesn't give any actionable proof or verified information.
Not publically anyway. But enough to get the ICC interested.

Plus, given the libel laws in the UK, they'd have to be pretty sure of themselves - although they haven't named names publically, the article implies they've given names to the ICC.
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