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Old 11th January 2018, 11:24   #21
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I'm frankly appalled that pretty much the same squad bar Livingstone for Ballance and the introduction of Wood has been chosen. Do they need to get beaten 2-0 in NZ to finally decide to rip up much of the core?
After his failure to score any test runs in Australia, though he didn't do too badly in the warm-up matches, I wonder if Ballance's prospects of further selection have now disappeared.

Vince and Stoneman are a little fortunate to survive, I reckon.
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Old 11th January 2018, 11:37   #22
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Bowlers only get 4 hit for a mistake . Batsmen only get 2 per test.
However, as a bowler there's nowhere to hide, as a batsman you're back in the hutch out of the firing line.

It can't be good that our back up bowlers only seem to get one or two Tests at a time to prove themselves. Both Anderson and Broad benefited from being persevered with.

Ball's played four Tests: a one, then two and now another standalone at the Gabba. Tom Curran played two Tests now he sits out a tour where he'd probably have greater success than at the MCG and SCG. How does that help anyone work out if they're really good enough?

Wood's stock rises when he's not in the side. Let's see if firstly he can play successive Tests and then secondly of he can improve on pretty average figures (especially given that he's played most of his Tests in favourable conditions, unlike Ball and Curran).
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Old 11th January 2018, 11:46   #23
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I'm frankly appalled that pretty much the same squad bar Livingstone for Ballance and the introduction of Wood has been chosen. Do they need to get beaten 2-0 in NZ to finally decide to rip up much of the core?
I'm inclined to agree. For Ballance, Ball and Curran to be made the fall-guys is frankly bizarre.

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Vince and Stoneman are a little fortunate to survive, I reckon.
Agreed. I'm not surprised Stoneman has been given a last chance (given that he looked better than some of the other openers that have played in the last few years) but the continued selection of Vince is baffling. An average of 22 after 12 (TWELVE) tests is absolutely diabolical for a top order batsman. Maybe they'll move Malan or Root up to 3 and Livingstone will get a chance at 5? Livingstone batted at 3 in the CC last season but I'm not convinced he would prosper there at test level.

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Tom Curran played two Tests now he sits out a tour where he'd probably have greater success than at the MCG and SCG. How does that help anyone work out if they're really good enough?
Curran looks the very definition of an honest county pro. He might have a future in one day cricket but I think there would need to be a spate of injuries for him to get another look in for the test team (even after Anderson and Broad retire). 78-80mph just doesn't cut it (unless you are as accurate and skillful at Big Vern).
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Old 11th January 2018, 12:44   #24
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Old 11th January 2018, 13:08   #25
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12 limited overs games, and only 2 tests? Surely you could scrap some of those games and put a third test in there? that's shocking.
I have a strong feeling England don't like doing more than 7 Tests in a summer or winter, that may be why. Had a quick look at past winters, usually they do New Zealand with say Sri Lanka, without doing extensive checking which I've not time for now, I think they haven't done more than 6-7 Tests in a winter.
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Old 11th January 2018, 13:12   #26
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Heard Nasser questioning why bowlers get dropped after one or two Tests (Ball and Curran) yet batsmen get more than 5. Seems strange.
To be fair you only need to make one mistake to get out as a batsman, and may not even make one at all, whereas bowlers get six balls per over and plenty of overs in a Test that one or many bad balls in an innings aren't as costly.

Am a little surprised they've replaced Ball with Wood, not as if either has done much. Curran may have just been "stand in", however I am most surprised at Stokes being included - not aware anything has changed since before the Ashes, and doesn't matter what rewards or punishment you get for performance, he deserves to miss at least the winter for his misdemeanour (and I don't mean crime type if it counts as a felony)
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Old 11th January 2018, 16:08   #27
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Heard Nasser questioning why bowlers get dropped after one or two Tests (Ball and Curran) yet batsmen get more than 5. Seems strange.
For the same reason that England captains are almost always specialist batsmen and very very rarely specialist bowlers. It's a batter's game.
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Old 11th January 2018, 18:10   #28
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Joe Root (Yorkshire, captain), Moeen Ali (Worcs), James Anderson (Lancashire), Jonny Bairstow (Yorkshire), Stuart Broad (Notts), Alastair Cook (Essex), Mason Crane (Hampshire), Ben Foakes (Surrey), Liam Livingstone (Lancashire), Dawid Malan (Middlesex), Craig Overton (Somerset), Ben Stokes (Durham), Mark Stoneman (Surrey), James Vince (Hampshire), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire), Mark Wood (Durham)
So only 4 (Root, Malan, Vince and Wood) in the T20 squad and 6 (Ali, Bairstow and Woakes but not Vince) in the ODI. Not counting Stokes.

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Old 12th January 2018, 01:57   #30
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James ****ing Vince? Give me a break.
I agree, he's failed to conVince.
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No Test at the home of NZ cricket - The Basin Reserve. Erratic weather in late March/early April. We have had a few late summers recently, but a real risk of a full wash out too. If not, England could be in trouble in the Tests. England will need to exploit a weak Kiwi middle order and attack the fourth bowler.
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Lack of tests primarily due to NZC wanting to kill off test and first class cricket in NZ for financial purposes.
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Lack of tests primarily due to NZC wanting to kill off test and first class cricket in NZ for financial purposes.
How heart warming.
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Old 12th January 2018, 08:27   #34
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No Test at the home of NZ cricket - The Basin Reserve. Erratic weather in late March/early April. We have had a few late summers recently, but a real risk of a full wash out too. If not, England could be in trouble in the Tests. England will need to exploit a weak Kiwi middle order and attack the fourth bowler.
I'd fancy NZs first choice seamers to blow away England if a reasonable amount of help is around. I remember that back in 2013 that the tracks were pretty flat in all 3 games but that NZs attack at the time looked a lot more threatening. I take it that fitness permitting, Boult, Henry and Wagner would be the first choice NZ pace attack with a few dibbly dobblers from De Grandhomme?

Anyway I'm still on a rant about England's choices. No way that Ali, Vince, Broad should have been in that squad for me and I'm in two minds about Stoneman. He looks ok first up against the new ball most of the time but he never pushes on.
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I'd fancy NZs first choice seamers to blow away England if a reasonable amount of help is around. I remember that back in 2013 that the tracks were pretty flat in all 3 games but that NZs attack at the time looked a lot more threatening. I take it that fitness permitting, Boult, Henry and Wagner would be the first choice NZ pace attack with a few dibbly dobblers from De Grandhomme?.
What about Southee?
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New Zealand team for their most recent test was:

Ravel
Latham
Williamson (c)
Taylor
Nicholls
Santner
de Grandhomme
Blundell (wk)
Wagner
Southee
Boult

Santner looks too high at 6.
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What about Southee?
Don't think he's been the same bowler in test cricket for a fair while. I think others have moved ahead, but DVS might detail this a bit better.
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New Zealand team for their most recent test was:

Ravel
Latham
Williamson (c)
Taylor
Nicholls
Santner
de Grandhomme
Blundell (wk)
Wagner
Southee
Boult

Santner looks too high at 6.
Blundell having scored a century gives them a bit of a headache I guess. I rate Watling very highly so I'm assuming he'd slot straight back. May be play both him and Blundell ahead of Grandhomme so that Santner could slot in at 8?
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Lack of tests primarily due to NZC wanting to kill off test and first class cricket in NZ for financial purposes.
Are Graves and Harrison running NZC as well as the ECB then?!
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Are Graves and Harrison running NZC as well as the ECB then?!
David White is, if anything, more of a **** than the two of them combined. Cowardice as well as cretinous.
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