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Old 13th January 2018, 01:56   #41
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Don't think he's been the same bowler in test cricket for a fair while. I think others have moved ahead, but DVS might detail this a bit better.
Yeah, I'd kind of given up on Southee. He's thick as mince and a very frustrating player to be a 'supporter' of. Mainly evidenced by how brainless his batting is 90% of the time. Over the past couple of years, both Boult and Southee have been dining out a little on past successes, and the cracks have been covered over by Wagner. Boult hasn't been quite the same since his stress fracture on the last tour of the UK. Recently, both players have been looking better - though perhaps that's because of the West Indies being woeful.

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Raval - Bit of a flat track hero in domestic cricket, but has done better than expected since debuting in place of Guptill. Consistently seems to score 50s and then can't go on. Odd, as the main problem for him would be his concrete boots early doors. Useful slipper. Can't argue with his returns given how few consistent openers NZ have had.
Latham - Undroppable at this stage, but needs to get a bit more consistency. Can't help but think he'll end his career averaging mid-high 30s, but for an opener in NZ, that's pretty good.
Williamson - Not much to say. In a race with Taylor to beat Martin Crowe's test centuries record, which might be putting a bit of psychological pressure on him.
Taylor - Don't let him get himself in. Has had problems with eyesight in recent years with growths needing to be operated on. NZ need him in peak fitness to win the series.
Nicholls - Overperforming spud. This could be a series too far for Nicholls. More Tests this year might have put pressure on him to be replaced by, perhaps Guptill, or one of a number of younger players
Watling - Surely straight back into the team. Blundell did well enough, but outside of his home ground of the Basin, looked a bit clueless against the West Indian quicks. Blundell surely dogmeat against the more persistent England bowlers. Watling much more solid and will allow Santner to be pushed down to 7.
Santner - Takes the mantle of the Mitchell no-rounder after Marsh scored two tons in the ashes. Not a Test match batsman, nor a test match bowler. NZ really should be playing Todd Astle, or - ideally - find a way to get Sodhi in the team.
de Grandhomme - Has delivered thus far, much against expectation with both ball and bat. Dibbly dobbly bowling has been much more penetrative than expected, though he would be cannon-fodder in most places around the world. Destructive batsman can take a game away from you in a session, much like Adam Gilchrist. England need to work out his weaknesses before they arrive here so he can't make a mark.
Wagner - Amazingly successful with the short ball at 135km/h. Skiddy left arm bowler meaning the short ball comes in at an unusual trajectory.
Southee - Pillock. Really needs swing to be effective.
Boult - Really the dangerman if there's a modicum of swing. Swing tends to come late. One of the more effective #11 batsmen out there.

I'd say that'll be NZ's line-up for both Tests, unless there's some injuries. A flawed team with a real middle-order problem. Good bowling attack. Similar weaknesses and strengths to England.
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Old 13th January 2018, 13:23   #42
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Yeah, I'd kind of given up on Southee. He's thick as mince and a very frustrating player to be a 'supporter' of. Mainly evidenced by how brainless his batting is 90% of the time. Over the past couple of years, both Boult and Southee have been dining out a little on past successes, and the cracks have been covered over by Wagner. Boult hasn't been quite the same since his stress fracture on the last tour of the UK. Recently, both players have been looking better - though perhaps that's because of the West Indies being woeful.

Likely team:

Raval - Bit of a flat track hero in domestic cricket, but has done better than expected since debuting in place of Guptill. Consistently seems to score 50s and then can't go on. Odd, as the main problem for him would be his concrete boots early doors. Useful slipper. Can't argue with his returns given how few consistent openers NZ have had.
Latham - Undroppable at this stage, but needs to get a bit more consistency. Can't help but think he'll end his career averaging mid-high 30s, but for an opener in NZ, that's pretty good.
Williamson - Not much to say. In a race with Taylor to beat Martin Crowe's test centuries record, which might be putting a bit of psychological pressure on him.
Taylor - Don't let him get himself in. Has had problems with eyesight in recent years with growths needing to be operated on. NZ need him in peak fitness to win the series.
Nicholls - Overperforming spud. This could be a series too far for Nicholls. More Tests this year might have put pressure on him to be replaced by, perhaps Guptill, or one of a number of younger players
Watling - Surely straight back into the team. Blundell did well enough, but outside of his home ground of the Basin, looked a bit clueless against the West Indian quicks. Blundell surely dogmeat against the more persistent England bowlers. Watling much more solid and will allow Santner to be pushed down to 7.
Santner - Takes the mantle of the Mitchell no-rounder after Marsh scored two tons in the ashes. Not a Test match batsman, nor a test match bowler. NZ really should be playing Todd Astle, or - ideally - find a way to get Sodhi in the team.
de Grandhomme - Has delivered thus far, much against expectation with both ball and bat. Dibbly dobbly bowling has been much more penetrative than expected, though he would be cannon-fodder in most places around the world. Destructive batsman can take a game away from you in a session, much like Adam Gilchrist. England need to work out his weaknesses before they arrive here so he can't make a mark.
Wagner - Amazingly successful with the short ball at 135km/h. Skiddy left arm bowler meaning the short ball comes in at an unusual trajectory.
Southee - Pillock. Really needs swing to be effective.
Boult - Really the dangerman if there's a modicum of swing. Swing tends to come late. One of the more effective #11 batsmen out there.

I'd say that'll be NZ's line-up for both Tests, unless there's some injuries. A flawed team with a real middle-order problem. Good bowling attack. Similar weaknesses and strengths to England.

A good insight. Thanks for this. Man for man, I think the lineups are pretty even.

1. Raval vs Cook- Cook wins
2. Latham vs Stoneman- Latham wins
3. Williamson vs Vince- Williamson wins
4. Taylor vs Root- Root wins
5. Nicholls vs Malan- Malan wins (just)
6. Watling vs Bairstow- all square
7. Santner vs Ali- all square
8. de Grandhomme vs Woakes- all square
9. Southee vs Overton- all square
10. Wagner vs Broad- all square
11. Boult vs Anderson- all square

Should be a good series. Going for a 1-1.
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... Should be a good series. ...
I'd say the most we can hope for is a couple of good tests.
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Root needs to convert, otherwise the contest between him and Taylor is going to be pretty close.

Oh, and whoever asked about Matt Henry, he's gone right off the boil. Lachie Ferguson is probably next in line as he can bowl 145+ and is pretty accurate. Can go for a few when he doesn't get the length right, mind
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Root needs to convert, otherwise the contest between him and Taylor is going to be pretty close.

Oh, and whoever asked about Matt Henry, he's gone right off the boil. Lachie Ferguson is probably next in line as he can bowl 145+ and is pretty accurate. Can go for a few when he doesn't get the length right, mind
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricke...ut-ok-that-day

That's 96.3mph but I am sure I saw another figure bowling the other day at 159kph (98.7).
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Think they have the rights everywhere except Australia.
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That's 96.3mph but I am sure I saw another figure bowling the other day at 159kph (98.7).
Not in a Test match though. I'd say he averages out around 145km/h, with the occasional flirtation with 150. Any more than that, and I'd reckon your speedgun needs recalibration.
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Over the past couple of years, both Boult and Southee have been dining out a little on past successes, and the cracks have been covered over by Wagner. Boult hasn't been quite the same since his stress fracture on the last tour of the UK. Recently, both players have been looking better - though perhaps that's because of the West Indies being woeful.
Boult's form is looking ominous.
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Yeah they still do for a while at least.
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Boult's form is looking ominous.
He was excellent against Pakistan the other day for sure. I just suspect given the surfeit of short form crap before the Tests that the bowlers from both sides might struggle to hit the right note on day one of the first Test.

Anyone going to either Test? I'll probably have to head down to the Country of the Damned given there's no Test in Wellington.
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I suspect the recall of Stokes doesn't bode well for Moeen's chances of selection in New Zealand.
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I suspect the recall of Stokes doesn't bode well for Moeen's chances of selection in New Zealand.
No I think that means hes gone.
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I don't think Stokes coming back makes too much difference to Ali's position, I can't see us selecting Crane in NZ anyway and they probably wouldn't worry about the length of the tail if they selected LL in Alis place so the only way Stokes would affect Ali is if he came in as a direct replacement and we went with 5 seamers (plus Malan and Root).

I'd suspect Stokes being back is more of a worry to Woakes and the potential 4th seamers. If they want to drop Ali I'd expect they'd just replace him with LL, that's how they normally select their spinners (pick the one with the highest FC batting average).
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I don't think Stokes coming back makes too much difference to Ali's position, I can't see us selecting Crane in NZ anyway and they probably wouldn't worry about the length of the tail if they selected LL in Alis place so the only way Stokes would affect Ali is if he came in as a direct replacement and we went with 5 seamers (plus Malan and Root).

I'd suspect Stokes being back is more of a worry to Woakes and the potential 4th seamers. If they want to drop Ali I'd expect they'd just replace him with LL, that's how they normally select their spinners (pick the one with the highest FC batting average).
Without Stokes Bairstow would almost certainly have continued at 6, meaning if Moeen was dropped Woakes would bat 7 with a long tail to follow. I think Livingstone is there on the strength of his batting; I'd be surprised if England played 4 seamers with him as the only spin option. FWIW I think Crane will play.
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Without Stokes Bairstow would almost certainly have continued at 6, meaning if Moeen was dropped Woakes would bat 7 with a long tail to follow. I think Livingstone is there on the strength of his batting; I'd be surprised if England played 4 seamers with him as the only spin option. FWIW I think Crane will play.
Ok well I guess it depends on the managements view on Crane, it is in NZ so it would surprise me for them to go with a specialist spinner.
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Yep. You don't need to go too far to find a better spinning no-rounder than Mitchell Santner.

As an aside, Canterbury batsman Ken McClure was recently sentenced on a common assault charge in NZ: https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricke...assault-charge
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Yep. You don't need to go too far to find a better spinning no-rounder than Mitchell Santner.

As an aside, Canterbury batsman Ken McClure was recently sentenced on a common assault charge in NZ: https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricke...assault-charge
Yeah I did think of Santner as I was posting my last reply!

It was rather ironic that Stokes replaced him for Canterbury.
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Anyone know whether the T20 tri-series is on Sky or BT? Dunno whether it's counted as the Australian tour or the NZ one.
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Anyone know whether the T20 tri-series is on Sky or BT? Dunno whether it's counted as the Australian tour or the NZ one.
The NZ vs England games are on Sky (as is the NZ vs Australia one but not the Aus home games), can't see that far ahead on the BT schedule but as they have rights to all home Australian games I'd put a pound on them having the Aus vs Eng and Aus vs NZ games.
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