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#101 |
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It's hard to believe that only 18 England batsman have more than 2000 ODI runs. Today Bell became number 18. I wonder if Vaughan will end his ODI career on 1982 runs or will Trescothick and Strauss play in ODIs again. Players still playing in bold -
1 Stewart - 4677 2 Trescothick - 4335 3 Gooch - 4290 4 Lamb 4010 5 Hick - 3846 6 Knight - 3637 7 Collingwood - 3458 8 Gower - 3170 9 Flintoff - 2989 10 Pietersen - 2447 11 Smith - 2419 12 Thorpe - 2380 13 Hussain - 2332 14 Strauss - 2239 15 Botham - 2113 16 Gatting - 2095 17 Fairbrother - 2092 18 Bell - 2038 19 Vaughan - 1982 20 Atherton - 1791 |
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#102 |
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I think someone said that Pietersen was the quickest England player to reach 2000 runs.*
Fairbrother took 71 innings to make his 2092. Bell should shortly overtake him, although he has so far played only 60 innings. Harvey was one of our best ODI players, and the reason he didn't make more runs is that he was our finisher, coming in at 4, 5 or 6 and notched up 18 not outs. *Edit. Have just checked and KP achieved 2000 ODI runs during his 45th innings, at Barbados in the World Cup 21/407 (where he made a century). Last edited by Michelle Fivefer : 16th February 2008 at 18:29. |
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#104 |
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Yes, interesting that. He's where you'd expect him to be based on appearances. He has had the chance to build big innings, batting mostly at 3 with a few goes at opening. He did bat at 9 once too, mind you.
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#105 |
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So also have most of that list as well, with the only exceptions Collingwood, Fairbrother and Flintoff.
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#106 |
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Flintoff has had his chances, even if he's not batted in the top order much, mainly being at 5 or 6. I suppose England generally doesn't take long to lose 3 or 4 wickets. Similar applies to Collingwood. More seriously though, you wouldn't expect middle order players to accumulate as many runs, nor to manage as high an average. Their SRs ought perhaps to be a bit higher though.
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#107 |
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Where can I find the appearances list? I can only see most runs, averages, strike rate, etc.
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#108 | |
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#109 |
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Most players to play over 100 ODIs
24 - Pakistan, West Indies, India 21 - Australia 18 - Sri Lanka 17 - New Zealand 15 - South Africa 12 - England 6 - Zimbabwe 4 - Bangladesh I was surprised to see West Indies had 24 players who had played over 100 matches. |
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#110 |
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I'm surprised England had that many. Colllingwood looks set to become England's most capped ODI player over the next year or two
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From his next 16 matches he needs an average of only 12.63 to overtake Strauss's total of 2239 from 78. To overtake Thorpe's 2280 from 82 matches the average would be 12.1. For Hussain's 2332 from 88 matches, 11.35. Obviously he should achieve these targets well before playing that number of matches as he wouldn't keep his place with an average around 12! Sterner targets are Nick Knight and the other batsmen with over 100 ODIs, and he would have to be very good to reach Knight's 3637 from exactly 100 matches. The batsmen with over 120 matches and over 4000 runs are in a class of their own. Edit: NB the Cricinfo list of most matches quotes matches not innings. So I should point out that Bell has played 62 matches but only 60 innings. I used 60 in the earlier post but 62 in this one, as per the listing. Last edited by Michelle Fivefer : 18th February 2008 at 17:27. |
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#112 | |
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Although, of course, we are talking about England here. |
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#113 |
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94 extra in 50 overs. That has to be a record.
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Bevan was an exception though. Generally the lower order guys get out having a low percentage flog more often than the upper order batsmen.
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Not sure about that FS - Colly's 28 not outs in 128 ODIs compared to Bells 4 in 60 for example. But there may be other interpretations of those figures and I doubt either of us are interested enough in this to get into it. |
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Oh I don't know. Of course the lower in the order a batsman is the more likely he is to be not out but the compensating disadvantage is that he doesn't get to take advantage of getting in to the same extent. A good look at the stats might be regarded as a bit pointless because of course one would expect the top order batsmen to be the better players and hence have the higher averages but even so, I think not outs are a bit of a red herring. After all, despite many fewer not outs, Bell has a higher ODI average than Colly, doesn't he?
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I know. Delicious isnt it? The compensating disadvantage of being more likley to be not out is facing fewer balls so being unable to get more runs Id have thought. And you would have to be a better mathemetician than me to weigh up the relative importance of these factors. Being not out 21% of the ime (Colly) as opposed to 6% of the time (Bell) may or may not compensate for fewer balls faced but "red herring" seems a bit strong. |
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You'd expect your top order batsmen to average more, but slower, and your lower order batsman to average fewer, but quicker. |
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