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Old 28th November 2017, 11:17   #241
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We lost the first Test because we didn't score enough runs.
Personally I would pick 3 seamers for the day nighter (Anderson, Broad and Woakes) and our most accurate spinner (Leach). I like Ali in a 5 man attack, but he is not a bowler to hold an end up and rotate the quicks around.
The most interesting comments Swann made IMO was he thought Root should concentrate on being a great bat rather than captain.
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Old 28th November 2017, 11:39   #242
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Swann is the best example of the truth that being a good player doesn't make one a good journalist or commentator.
Not sure about that. Vaughan, Botham or Pietersen would give him a good run for his money.

Adelaide being the venue for the 2nd test once again gives us the opportunity of not going 2-0 down in the series. We need to seize it by greatly improving both our batting and bowling.
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Old 28th November 2017, 11:41   #243
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...The most interesting comments Swann made IMO was he thought Root should concentrate on being a great bat rather than captain.
In the modern game, where on field captaincy has far less impact than the pundits would have us believe, that's a bit of a "no brainer".
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Old 28th November 2017, 14:13   #244
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In the modern game, where on field captaincy has far less impact than the pundits would have us believe, that's a bit of a "no brainer".
Who would you have as England skipper, D/L?
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Old 28th November 2017, 14:29   #245
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Laughing at the suggestions that the Aussies verbals got YJB out. He'd made 40 odd runs, I can't believe they left it until then to start making comments. Why does our own press persist in bigging the Aussies up to be some form of mental maestros?
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In the modern game, where on field captaincy has far less impact than the pundits would have us believe, that's a bit of a "no brainer".
Maybe, but Swann is the one who most consistently made the point that Root should stick to batting. (To be fair, on the grounds of him being our best batsman, and not letting other responsibilities affect him; not because he might be a useless captain.) The rest of the media still infatuated with their favourite nephew think he can do it all.

On field captaincy did have an impact at Brisbane. Root chose not to bowl Anderson and Broad straight after lunch following two wickets with the new ball. He said it was his call. When asked, Bayliss said he hadn't noticed.
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Old 28th November 2017, 15:05   #247
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Who would you have as England skipper, D/L?
Well, ss, I've always subscribed to the view that the captain should never be a passenger (as was Vaughan for much of his later test career but, of course, not what Root is now) and that international test captaincy, on the field of play, is largely neither here nor there.

In view of that, I would pick what I thought was the strongest XI and nominate one of the senior players to clap at and direct the meaningful looks to the other members of the team. This player would, in all likelihood, keep these duties over a number of matches and would, therefore, provide a similar level of continuity to what we already have.

He would, of course, also need to be a safe pair of hands with the media which is the real essence of the job these days.

It's unlikely to happen, though, as the media like to have someone whom they can build up and then later destroy when his form takes the almost inevitable late career dip. It sells papers and puts bums on seats.

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Old 28th November 2017, 15:11   #248
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Not sure about that. Vaughan, Botham or Pietersen would give him a good run for his money.
Vaughan and Botham express their views forcefully but are focused on commentating rather than being personalities. (MPV has let go of that obsession with trivia that he first brought to the TMS box). Pietersen just never shuts up and his millions of fans hang on his every word. The difference with Swann is that he went from cricketer to media pundit convinced that his video diaries and "Not just cricket" shows had made him the cleverest, wittiest man on the circuit and it was his duty to display this talent at all times
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Old 28th November 2017, 15:20   #249
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He would, of course, also need to be a safe pair of hands with the media which, away from the field of play, is the real essence of the job these days.
The media is in large part to blame for cricket captaincy in the modern age never being given to a good player without the gift of the gab. They love articulate players, and when they have a new young player in front of the microphone who demonstrates an ability to speak coherently and say interesting things they go wild and said player becomes flavour of the month.
In a fantasy world we'd have as on-field captain a very good player with tactical nous and someone else to do all the media stuff.
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I believe the media stuff, especially post toss, adversely effected Cook's batting.
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I'm feeling optimistic. Jimmy and Broad will enjoy the conditions at Adelaide and Steve Smith will be dismissed for two single figure scores. Root will make a first innings ton, Vince will score the prettiest test 50 of all time (eclipsing his innings at the Gabba) and Bairstow will respond to #headbuttgate by guiding England to a 5 wicket victory with an unbeaten 80 in the second dig.
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Old 28th November 2017, 16:56   #252
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I'm feeling optimistic. Jimmy and Broad will enjoy the conditions at Adelaide and Steve Smith will be dismissed for two single figure scores. Root will make a first innings ton, Vince will score the prettiest test 50 of all time (eclipsing his innings at the Gabba) and Bairstow will respond to #headbuttgate by guiding England to a 5 wicket victory with an unbeaten 80 in the second dig.
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Old 28th November 2017, 17:00   #254
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I forgot to mention the forecast - it will be just like playing a day-night test in autumn in Birmingham.
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It wa actually August but it did feel a bit autumnal.
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I'm feeling optimistic. Jimmy and Broad will enjoy the conditions at Adelaide and Steve Smith will be dismissed for two single figure scores. Root will make a first innings ton, Vince will score the prettiest test 50 of all time (eclipsing his innings at the Gabba) and Bairstow will respond to #headbuttgate by guiding England to a 5 wicket victory with an unbeaten 80 in the second dig.
I'm worried that my pre-series prediction of 4-0 is looking a bit shaky....and not because I believe England might get a result at Adelaide.
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I'm worried that my pre-series prediction of 4-0 is looking a bit shaky....and not because I believe England might get a result at Adelaide.
England win at Adelaide, Aussies win at Perth, England win the final two tests powered by a Stokes recall with Crane bowling England to victory at his home ground. Easy.
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Well, ss, I've always subscribed to the view that the captain should never be a passenger (as was Vaughan for much of his later test career but, of course, not what Root is now) and that international test captaincy, on the field of play, is largely neither here nor there.

In view of that, I would pick what I thought was the strongest XI and nominate one of the senior players to clap at and direct the meaningful looks to the other members of the team. This player would, in all likelihood, keep these duties over a number of matches and would, therefore, provide a similar level of continuity to what we already have.

He would, of course, also need to be a safe pair of hands with the media which is the real essence of the job these days.

It's unlikely to happen, though, as the media like to have someone whom they can build up and then later destroy when his form takes the almost inevitable late career dip. It sells papers and puts bums on seats.
OK, but who would be captain, D/L? What would the name on the scorecard be by which the asterisk appeared?
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We lost the first Test because we didn't score enough runs.
Personally I would pick 3 seamers for the day nighter (Anderson, Broad and Woakes) and our most accurate spinner (Leach). I like Ali in a 5 man attack, but he is not a bowler to hold an end up and rotate the quicks around.
The most interesting comments Swann made IMO was he thought Root should concentrate on being a great bat rather than captain.
Leach isnít in the frame.
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With Stokes travelling out to NZ to play s competitive game, England seem to be clearing the path for his return for either the 3rd or 4th test. Fingers crossed that’s the case.
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