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Old 21st August 2015, 23:06   #2081
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Just don't really understand 'fans' who start criticising players as soon as something goes wrong. If it was 5-0 I could understand it. Support the team and players through good times and bad.

I also struggle to understand you posting pictures of planes when I'm just trying to put my point across. By all means disagree with me, but you can do it without being patronising.
I really don't understand why you think fans shouldn't criticise players. Yes, there's plenty of whinging, not just from English fans either but it would be boring if we just blindly followed our teams and their players.

BTW, I would have asked for the Binary name change to the thread had Bell scored 0, 1, 11, 100, 101, 110, 111 as well.
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Old 21st August 2015, 23:10   #2082
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I really don't understand why you think fans shouldn't criticise players. Yes, there's plenty of whinging, not just from English fans either but it would be boring if we just blindly followed our teams and their players.

BTW, I would have asked for the Binary name change to the thread had Bell scored 0, 1, 11, 100, 101, 110, 111 as well.
I critisised the players after the 5-0 Ashes and the WC. Just don't see the need for it now. Seems like sometimes fans want players to fail and can't wait to get on their backs.
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Old 21st August 2015, 23:31   #2083
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I critisised the players after the 5-0 Ashes and the WC. Just don't see the need for it now. Seems like sometimes fans want players to fail and can't wait to get on their backs.
It seems like that to you because you're not really paying attention. With the odd exception (and even they tend to deny it), nobody on here wants their own team's players to fail.
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Old 22nd August 2015, 12:28   #2084
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I'd really have liked to join this fascinating discussion whilst it was taking place but, it being late on a Friday evening and having a life, I wasn't able to.

Back to the subject matter; Bell has always had the ability to be brilliant and poor in seemingly almost equal measure. On balance, he's still worth his place and that's really all that matters.
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Old 22nd August 2015, 12:42   #2085
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Ali, we need that plane pic again please.
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Old 22nd August 2015, 12:55   #2086
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Ali, we need that plane pic again please.
The Man United fan from Nottingham getting involved in a discussion about supporting teams through the bad times.
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Old 22nd August 2015, 12:59   #2087
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The Man United fan from Nottingham getting involved in a discussion about supporting teams through the bad times.
Good job you know how long I've been a fan of Utd for isn't it.....
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Old 22nd August 2015, 14:07   #2088
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What bad times? We've just won the Ashes FFS. Typical England 'fan' who dwells on the negatives.
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Old 22nd August 2015, 14:08   #2089
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It seems like that to you because you're not really paying attention. With the odd exception (and even they tend to deny it), nobody on here wants their own team's players to fail.
Unless SVaZ is using spurious statistics to champion them?
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Old 22nd August 2015, 14:39   #2090
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What bad times? We've just won the Ashes FFS. Typical England 'fan' who dwells on the negatives.
Did you see the England flag today with the message 'Calm Down, we've won' on it. Maybe they were reading your comments.
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Old 22nd August 2015, 15:02   #2091
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Did you see the England flag today with the message 'Calm Down, we've won' on it. Maybe they were reading your comments.
I'm perfectly calm and aware that we won. Which comments in particular do you think show me being hysterical about this?
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Old 22nd August 2015, 16:23   #2092
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I'm perfectly calm and aware that we won. Which comments in particular do you think show me being hysterical about this?
The ones in his head, I think. Bit like the ones in his head where I've been writing England batsmen off after 4 failures and championing Aussie players based on centuries a series ago in an otherwise uninterrupted record of failure.

We probably do need the plane. It could carry a banner about how good DL's life is for CDogg to point to. Something about going to the local on his own on Friday nights where even the other grumpy Yorkshiremen won't talk to him because they can't stand his relentless negativity. Might need two planes to carry that.
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Old 22nd August 2015, 16:24   #2093
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Unless SVaZ is using spurious statistics to champion them?
There is that. My liking for Ali has just about survived that but close thing, I admit.
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Old 22nd August 2015, 18:35   #2094
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The ones in his head, I think. Bit like the ones in his head where I've been writing England batsmen off after 4 failures and championing Aussie players based on centuries a series ago in an otherwise uninterrupted record of failure.

We probably do need the plane. It could carry a banner about how good DL's life is for CDogg to point to. Something about going to the local on his own on Friday nights where even the other grumpy Yorkshiremen won't talk to him because they can't stand his relentless negativity. Might need two planes to carry that.
I presume your referring to said about what I said about Steve Smith? If this is the case you should probably stop obsessing over planes and start reading up on fishing.

About this who said what malarkey, I don't have the time or interest in going back over threads looking at who said what. You and Ali TT say basically the same thing anyway.

Getting back on the topic of Bell, he did look out of touch today but class in permenant. Hopefully he can have a good end to the season with Warwickshire, or take a break. People say Broad and Anderson should be rested but Bell has had a packed schedule over the past few years.
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Old 22nd August 2015, 18:56   #2095
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...We probably do need the plane. It could carry a banner about how good DL's life is for CDogg to point to. Something about going to the local on his own on Friday nights where even the other grumpy Yorkshiremen won't talk to him because they can't stand his relentless negativity. Might need two planes to carry that.
"Self confessed mentalist"?

Can it really be true that you once had sufficient insight to describe yourself thus?

Something for you to think about on a Saturday evening, should you have nothing else to do, apart from posting on here, when most people have.
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Old 22nd August 2015, 21:32   #2096
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I presume your referring to said about what I said about Steve Smith? If this is the case you should probably stop obsessing over planes and start reading up on fishing.

About this who said what malarkey, I don't have the time or interest in going back over threads looking at who said what. You and Ali TT say basically the same thing anyway.
I think you not really having a clue who said what (including yourself, it seems) is exactly the problem. If you're going to make sweeping statements about what other posters' views are, without knowing what their views are and then admit as much, you've lost any right to complain about being ridiculed.

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Getting back on the topic of Bell, he did look out of touch today but class in permenant. Hopefully he can have a good end to the season with Warwickshire, or take a break. People say Broad and Anderson should be rested but Bell has had a packed schedule over the past few years.
It's slightly disputable just how much class Bell really has. He looks far too good not to make runs but against good opponents he fails to make those runs too often. There aren't many series on his CV where he's really scored heavily against the better attacks. It's also not clear what might have tipped his career into decline, other than fatigue. He may just be regressing to a rather lower mean than we've previously supposed. I don't know whether taking him on another tour is a good idea. On the whole I'd probably give him one more go, as our only clearly better alternative middle order alternative isn't available for selection.
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Old 22nd August 2015, 21:35   #2097
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"Self confessed mentalist"?

Can it really be true that you once had sufficient insight to describe yourself thus?

Something for you to think about on a Saturday evening, should you have nothing else to do, apart from posting on here, when most people have.
Google self deprecating humour? It's a very small part of the board's rich history.

Funnily enough, I find I'm perfectly capable of posting on the board of an evening while also cooking a curry for my family, helping to put my daughter (who doesn't seem to believe in bedtime) to sleep and keeping track of the Spanish football to bet on. It's a multi tasking thing. Something for you to think about in the corner of your local, while the barman and the flat cap brigade stare at the ground or their pints to avoid catching your eye?
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Here are the points you have raised in relation to comments I have posted.

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You're missing at least one point here.
Probably deliberately ambiguous. Not sure how you can be sure I was missing a point when I wasn't replying to anything you had said.

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As you whinge that people are whinging when mostly they aren't.
I think this was in relation to me saying people shouldn't jump on the players back. I made this comment after the Binary Bell and Right sort of family Cook jibes.

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It seems like that to you because you're not really paying attention. With the odd exception (and even they tend to deny it), nobody on here wants their own team's players to fail.
The two comments you posted before this had nothing attention-worthy in.

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The ones in his head, I think. Bit like the ones in his head where I've been writing England batsmen off after 4 failures and championing Aussie players based on centuries a series ago in an otherwise uninterrupted record of failure.

We probably do need the plane. It could carry a banner about how good DL's life is for CDogg to point to. Something about going to the local on his own on Friday nights where even the other grumpy Yorkshiremen won't talk to him because they can't stand his relentless negativity. Might need two planes to carry that.
You then start making jibes about planes and DL. You may have got confused as I wasn't replying to what you had to say, and so none of the comments I made to start with were directed at you.

Hope this clears it up. If you want me to understand what you mean you should clearly state it instead of making jokes about planes, which I have already stated I do not get.
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Probably deliberately ambiguous. Not sure how you can be sure I was missing a point when I wasn't replying to anything you had said.

I think this was in relation to me saying people shouldn't jump on the players back. I made this comment after the Binary Bell and Right sort of family Cook jibes.
Wasn't really intending to make it about me. I was trying to point out that your attacks on other posters for being anti England were a little silly. Ali, I'm sure, can speak for himself but as you'd utterly made up what he'd posted about England and utterly made up what you said my views on England and Australia batsmen were because you didn't have a leg to stand on over Smith, I put the two together.

One point you were missing was the veiled jibe at DL about Broad being lucky rather than any good at bowling. It's come up now and again. As in, Ali wasn't trying to be critical of Broad. The Cook alternative name was also more of a dig at the ECB and particularly Giles Clarke than at Cook himself.

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The two comments you posted before this had nothing attention-worthy in.
Not quite sure which posts you mean but the criticism probably applies to most of my posts so fair enough.

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You then start making jibes about planes and DL. You may have got confused as I wasn't replying to what you had to say, and so none of the comments I made to start with were directed at you.

Hope this clears it up. If you want me to understand what you mean you should clearly state it instead of making jokes about planes, which I have already stated I do not get.
No, I understood that you weren't directing things at me. I'll try to be clearer in future.
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Wasn't really intending to make it about me. I was trying to point out that your attacks on other posters for being anti England were a little silly. Ali, I'm sure, can speak for himself but as you'd utterly made up what he'd posted about England and utterly made up what you said my views on England and Australia batsmen were because you didn't have a leg to stand on over Smith, I put the two together.

One point you were missing was the veiled jibe at DL about Broad being lucky rather than any good at bowling. It's come up now and again. As in, Ali wasn't trying to be critical of Broad. The Cook alternative name was also more of a dig at the ECB and particularly Giles Clarke than at Cook himself.

Not quite sure which posts you mean but the criticism probably applies to most of my posts so fair enough.

No, I understood that you weren't directing things at me. I'll try to be clearer in future.
Ok. My original point wasn't about being anti-England, I just felt the critisism of Bell was unfair. It was the comments about Broad and Cook which irked me but as you say this was probably tongue in cheek and I didn't realise this at the time.
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