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Old 28th July 2007, 11:41   #181
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I'd be more inclined to take Swann on the tour. We don't expect the third spinner to actually play, and Swann could substitute for either Rashid (as the bowler who can bat) or Monty without screwing up the balance of the team too much.

I haven't seen Swann play lately though- does he still include a half tracker every over?
I think he's still a big bag of jizz but I may be wrong. I've hardly seen him bowl myself. I do see your reasoning but I also think that he wouldn't cover for Monty nearly as well as Keedy and that covering Monty is probably more important than covering Rashid. I suppose it depends partly on whether you think England will automatically pick two spinners or not.
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Old 28th July 2007, 11:42   #182
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I assume we will take 3 spinners to Sri Lanka. I wouldn't mind Keedy to be back up to Panesar and the other spinner should be an all rounder....so really its out of Swann and Rashid IMO.
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Old 28th July 2007, 11:46   #183
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I assume we will take 3 spinners to Sri Lanka. I wouldn't mind Keedy to be back up to Panesar and the other spinner should be an all rounder....so really its out of Swann and Rashid IMO.
the smart money is on panesar, rashid and schofield
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I assume we will take 3 spinners to Sri Lanka. I wouldn't mind Keedy to be back up to Panesar and the other spinner should be an all rounder....so really its out of Swann and Rashid IMO.
I think it really has to be Rashid who goes out of those two. He's a better spinner, a better batsman, younger, with a better attitude, better potential and he's a leggie, so more interesting to watch.
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Old 28th July 2007, 11:46   #186
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(saqlain mushtaq anyone?)
Almost good enough to play county cricket.
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Old 28th July 2007, 23:01   #187
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the smart money is on panesar, rashid and schofield
Is that as in 'SMART' cars? Who are losing money hand over fist and no wonder?
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Old 28th July 2007, 23:04   #188
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I assume we will take 3 spinners to Sri Lanka. I wouldn't mind Keedy to be back up to Panesar and the other spinner should be an all rounder....so really its out of Swann and Rashid IMO.


FFS Swann


We cant be that desperate surely.
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We cant be that desperate surely.
Look, he's moderately amusing if he has some free time to write. I imagine, barring injuries that this will be the case, therefore we have someone amusing on the tour, doing nothing but amusing his chums. That's hugely important when you go abroad. Trust me. I've been on school trips.
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Old 29th July 2007, 02:08   #190
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No-one has mentioned Jamie Dalrymple.

Or Ian Blackwell.

I wonder why. Personally for the tests my second spinner is Vaughan and my third spinner KP. Nathan Barley will no doubt mention that Alistair Cook can bowl some handy spin as well. I'd take one back up in case Monty gets injured and I'd look carefully at playing 5 bowlers to spread the workload out.

Apparently pitches in Sri Lanka tend to be a bit more conducive to pace since Malinga the Slinger joined Vaas in the Lankan attack.
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No-one has mentioned Jamie Dalrymple.

Or Ian Blackwell.

I wonder why. Personally for the tests my second spinner is Vaughan and my third spinner KP. Nathan Barley will no doubt mention that Alistair Cook can bowl some handy spin as well. I'd take one back up in case Monty gets injured and I'd look carefully at playing 5 bowlers to spread the workload out.

Apparently pitches in Sri Lanka tend to be a bit more conducive to pace since Malinga the Slinger joined Vaas in the Lankan attack.
I mentioned Blackwell but only in the context of dismissing him.

I see the Vaughan argument. He's not really the bowler you want backing up Monty on a dusty track with nothing in it for your four pace bowlers. Still, as agreed, neither are any of the other alternatives really.

On five bowlers, one of the nice things about Adil Rashid is that he can be picked as a bowling all rounder and fit in nicely at 8. The cost of picking the five bowlers to the batting is hence rather lower if he's in the side. It's just not clear yet how his bowling would stack up against that of a fourth seamer. Clearly a bit would depend on who that seamer was anyway. Assuming Flintoff and Hoggard as certainties, it's actually rather tough to call who the third and fourth choice seamers would be.
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Old 29th July 2007, 12:13   #192
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If you want to strengthen your tail with an unproved spinner, Alex Loudon may well be in with a shout as well.
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Old 29th July 2007, 12:17   #193
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If you want to strengthen your tail with an unproved spinner, Alex Loudon may well be in with a shout as well.
Unproven is a rather polite way of putting it. So far this season his F-C figures are 4/362.
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If you want to strengthen your tail with an unproved spinner, Alex Loudon may well be in with a shout as well.
Well there are plenty of clearly poor spinners who could be selected to bolster the batting. Rashid is a different kettle of fish entirely. He's a more genuine batsman too, I think.

PS. I meant more genuine batsman than the majority of the bad spinners who can bat a bit like Blackwell, Batty, Dalrympyle. Loudon probably is a better batsman than Rashid, at least at the moment but he barely counts as a part time spinner at present.
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Rashid is a better spinner and batsman than Loudon, he's in an altogether different class.

If Fletcher was still in charge, I reckon Adil would have already been called up, after all Monty only took 23 wickets against the Windies.
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Old 29th July 2007, 13:05   #196
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I'd say Loudon is a better batsman than Rashid. Not by a whole lot, but he is better.
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Loudon is a better batsman than Rashid, but isnt this thread about spinners. Even if you want an batting spinner Loudon and Dalrymple dont qualify as they are not spinners of any quality at all.
On that basis I would play Vaughan and KP as the second spinner.

In reality you need to take 3 best spinners we have, with batting ability been important for say the one of them.

Monty
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Rashid is a better spinner and batsman than Loudon, he's in an altogether different class.

If Fletcher was still in charge, I reckon Adil would have already been called up, after all Monty only took 23 wickets against the Windies.
Not yet in the same class with the bat - if Loudon stays in cricket he could be a test batsman. And he's an exceptional fielder too.

His bolwing, however, oh dear...he has spent so much time messing about with his action and special balls that hes lost his stock ball.

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Not yet in the same class with the bat - if Loudon stays in cricket he could be a test batsman. And he's an exceptional fielder too.

His bolwing, however, oh dear...he has spent so much time messing about with his action and special balls that hes lost his stock ball.

I dont actually see Loudon as that good a batsmen. FC average 32 and List A 22 sort of backs that up. Good fielding may sway it if you are nearly there, esp in ODI, but I dont think he is nearly there.
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There's very little difference in their batting averages:

Rashid: 32.10
Loudon: 32.25

It's just that Loudon has five centuries including a big 172 compared to Adil's zero tons.

I'd also agree with posters that it's his bowling that should get Rashid into the side, and with Prior and Flintoff in the team any runs from Rashid will be an added bonus.

I really can't imagine the circumstances now that a fit Rashid won't tour Sri Lanka and won't play.
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