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Old 28th August 2007, 16:06   #281
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Schoefield will lead us to 20/20 GLORY!
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Old 28th August 2007, 16:32   #282
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A good post on spin there Death (and that hurts to admit!). I would only caution against generalising on leg spin based on Salisbuty and Schofield who were never good enough to play test cricket anyway. Even is his dotage Salsibury still had so little control - let alone variety - that he was meat and drink to decent county bats while Schofield has never had what it takes.
Aw.

I saw Salisbury bowl on a dry pitch earlier this year and he looked less effective even than James Tredwell, an unremarkable county off-spinner. He's had better days though in the county game at least. I imagine that this season will be his last as he isn't even making the Surrey side that often, last time I looked. Schofield was so obviously not a good leg spinner that I'm amazed he was picked for England. Utterly daft. Warne didn't have great stats at that time in his career but he did have a sound basic method. Not so schofield. There was an interesting comparison of Schofield and Rashid who bowled in the same match earlier in the season. The journalist was left in no doubt that Rashid was a genuine, ripping leggie as opposed to a "club roller" i.e. someone who passes off as a leg spinner without being the real thing or having the required technique.
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Old 28th August 2007, 16:34   #283
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Surrey have told Salisbury he can go and even Warwicks weren't interested. How bad is that?
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Old 28th August 2007, 16:47   #284
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Having not followed warwicks this season it sounds like they are in disaray?
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Old 28th August 2007, 16:49   #285
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Schofield was picked for England before he even cemented a place at Lancashire, whereas Rashid is one of the first names on the Yorkshire team list. They're coming from two very different starting positions, and shouldn't be compared with one another.

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Schofield was picked for England before he even cemented a place at Surrey, whereas Rashid is one of the first names on the Yorkshire team list. They're coming from two very different starting positions, and shouldn't be compared with one another.
Schofield was picked for England long long before he even moved to Surrey.
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Schofield was picked for England long long before he even moved to Surry.
There's some truth in that.
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Old 1st September 2007, 11:48   #289
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Who's Surry? Is that near Essx?
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There's some truth in that.
Some truth but not enough typing.

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Who's Surry? Is that near Essx?
It's more akin to slurry.
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Five wickets for Schofield yesterday, making a late flurry to catch the selectors attention.
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Schofield was picked for England before he even cemented a place at Lancashire, whereas Rashid is one of the first names on the Yorkshire team list. They're coming from two very different starting positions, and shouldn't be compared with one another.
They were and the comparison was flattering Rashid as a genuine leg spinning prospect as opposed to Schofield who never was and never will be.
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Old 5th September 2007, 00:12   #293
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They were and the comparison was flattering Rashid as a genuine leg spinning prospect as opposed to Schofield who never was and never will be.
You wait until he's spinning us to Twenty20 glory
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He may well take us with distinction on the longward march - but he won't be spinning anything!
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Old 7th September 2007, 12:15   #295
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Yet again young Rashid shows his class. While 'Mushy' wreaks havoc amongst Yorkshires so called 'stars' the youngster finishes the innings 54 no. His bowling figures of 35.1-3-136-3 in Sussex mammoth first innings total of 597/8d was also a good effort, especially when compared to Pak spinner Imran Tahirs 37-2-141-0.

Throw in his brilliant fielding and England have the perfect 'all-rounder' for Sri Lanka.
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Old 10th September 2007, 17:22   #297
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Congratulations. He's a very good prospect. As I haven't seen him though I'll have to leave the judgement to others as to whether or not his basic bowling method (and perhaps his batting too) is sound and secure enough to cope with this sort of tour. If there's any doubt, then I'd rather give him another season in county cricket to mature, so that he can enter the international arena with something to fall back on (like Monty), rather than be ruthlessly exposed (Schofield/Salisbury).
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Old 10th September 2007, 17:32   #298
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Monty played 20 county games before his debut. By the end of the season, Rashid would have played the same amount.
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Thing is, everything about Monty's nuts and bolts was sound. Easy, stable run up and action, accurate without fault and significant turn and bounce. As England's recent forays into the netherworld of leg spin have shown though, if you pick a guy before he's firmly established those basics, it'll be a disaster.
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Thing is, everything about Monty's nuts and bolts was sound. Easy, stable run up and action, accurate without fault and significant turn and bounce. As England's recent forays into the netherworld of leg spin have shown though, if you pick a guy before he's firmly established those basics, it'll be a disaster.
Well it's a bit easy to say that now. Monty did obviously have a sound method and I certainly wanted him picked for England. Still, there were doubts about whether orthodox spin was ever likely to make a huge impact at test level in the modern game. Monty has dealt with those doubts, largely but he was hardly a risk free selection. Leg spin, by contrast, does offer penetration that finger spin generally doesn't. It is a far less reliable art though.
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