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Old 7th October 2017, 04:05   #1481
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The unluckiest guy to miss out on Lions selction was Luke Wells. He scored something like 1300 CC runs at an average of 65.
The selectors are still running scared after their failed selection of Alan Wells.
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Old 7th October 2017, 10:16   #1482
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KP played for England A before he qualified, I'm not sure what the rules are for Lions matches. I guess Archer is so far away that it's better to take someone else instead.
Yes, and Trott played for the Lions before he has qualified.
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Old 9th October 2017, 16:51   #1483
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The unluckiest guy to miss out on Lions selction was Luke Wells. He scored something like 1300 CC runs at an average of 65.

But the selectors have decided after the Duckett disaster that Div Two runs don't count.

That's not a critcism of the selectors. To be honest, I think their atttiude is an entirely accurate assessment of the fact that 90 per cent of the bowlers in Div Two are pie-chuckers!
Duckett basically got in on the basis of his limited overs runs (and remember besides facing 5 of the top 20, division 2 batsmen also regularly face division 1 bowlers in limited overs cricket).

It doesn't matter if you are division 2 for an established player but to establish yourself it's really difficult to get a look unless you're playing for a first division side.

I think the selectors are missing a trick as there are some good batsmen in division 2. They instead need to give greater weight to when and against who they score their runs.
For example I think the likes of Joe Clarke and Sam Northeast are more worthy than several division 1 picks such as Vince (who IIRC actually struggled to make the step up to division 1).
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Old 9th October 2017, 19:46   #1484
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Duckett basically got in on the basis of his limited overs runs (and remember besides facing 5 of the top 20, division 2 batsmen also regularly face division 1 bowlers in limited overs cricket).
He might also have interested the selectors by scoring a better than run per ball 185 against Glamorgan on a raging Wantage Road turner (not that Glammy's attack was packed with quality twirlers).
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He might also have interested the selectors by scoring a better than run per ball 185 against Glamorgan on a raging Wantage Road turner (not that Glammy's attack was packed with quality twirlers).
I certainly don't think that hurt but I don't think that would have been enough on its own.

Who are your pick of the current division 2 batsmen?
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I certainly don't think that hurt but I don't think that would have been enough on its own.

Who are your pick of the current division 2 batsmen?
Well, I think Northeast has been grossly undervalued. I still find Denly too loose and therefore hit and miss. Joe Clarke has almost always oozed assurance and time when I've seen him (except when a rampant Masters had him on a piece of string last year). Kiran Carlson has impressed me but it's still very early in his career. Not seen Burgess of Sussex but hearing good things. If we're looking at next year's Div Two, then I still think Sam Robson might have something to offer although he's horribly unpleasing on the eye. To be honest, with Essex, Middx and Surrey all in Div One this year, I've not seen that much of the Div two contenders.
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Parts of the squad look very much development players.
It's a very eclectic selection with a mixture of recent Test discards and some very inexperienced youngsters. Amar Virdi has just three first class appearances with 6 wickets @45 apiece and he's very much a tailend batsman. And George Garton is in yet again. Most of his nine f/c appearances seem to have been in Lions fixtures. Why don't Sussex pick him more often if he's that much of a prospect? It's also very spin-heavy with Virdi as well as the Somerset pair plus Livingstone as a batting all-rounder who bowls spin. I'm surprised neither of the Curran brothers or Nick Browne is included.
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And George Garton is in yet again. Most of his nine f/c appearances seem to have been in Lions fixtures. Why don't Sussex pick him more often if he's that much of a prospect?
I find the Garton love-in pretty odd to be honest. He is supposed to be quick but the only time I've seen him bowl (on TV) he bowled around 85mph.
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I find the Garton love-in pretty odd to be honest. He is supposed to be quick but the only time I've seen him bowl (on TV) he bowled around 85mph.
I saw Tymal Mills at a similar stage of his career in one of his first few CC matches six years ago and he was clearly exceptionally quick, albeit without the guile and experience to work a batsman over once they'd adjusted to the extra pace, but a friend who saw Garton in a Lions match at Worcester said he just looked like a bog-standard fast-medium seamer with no eyecatching attributes.
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It's a very eclectic selection with a mixture of recent Test discards and some very inexperienced youngsters. Amar Virdi has just three first class appearances with 6 wickets @45 apiece and he's very much a tailend batsman. And George Garton is in yet again. Most of his nine f/c appearances seem to have been in Lions fixtures. Why don't Sussex pick him more often if he's that much of a prospect? It's also very spin-heavy with Virdi as well as the Somerset pair plus Livingstone as a batting all-rounder who bowls spin. I'm surprised neither of the Curran brothers or Nick Browne is included.
I think with Garton, they think he's not quite physically strong enough for regular 4 day stuff but think he has raw talent. He still probably should have played more than he did though.
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Well, I think Northeast has been grossly undervalued. I still find Denly too loose and therefore hit and miss. Joe Clarke has almost always oozed assurance and time when I've seen him (except when a rampant Masters had him on a piece of string last year). Kiran Carlson has impressed me but it's still very early in his career. Not seen Burgess of Sussex but hearing good things. If we're looking at next year's Div Two, then I still think Sam Robson might have something to offer although he's horribly unpleasing on the eye. To be honest, with Essex, Middx and Surrey all in Div One this year, I've not seen that much of the Div two contenders.
I think you're just reading my threads! I touted Northeast for India last year and then Clarke for Australia this year and had Kiran Carlson as one to watch in the young players emerging thread...

Burgess as keeper or batsman?

I don't see Robson as much more than a stop-gap at test level. More Nick Compton than Denis.
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I think you're just reading my threads! I touted Northeast for India last year and then Clarke for Australia this year and had Kiran Carlson as one to watch in the young players emerging thread...

Burgess as keeper or batsman?

I don't see Robson as much more than a stop-gap at test level. More Nick Compton than Denis.

Ha ha.

Burgess as a batsman. Let's be honest, a chap's glovework need only be passable these days.
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Ha ha.

Burgess as a batsman. Let's be honest, a chap's glovework need only be passable these days.
Burgess is extremely tidy behind the stumps too. I wouldn't be surprised if Ben Brown just becomes a batsman, especially if he retains the Sussex captaincy for next season.
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Essex seamer Jamie Porter will miss the England Lions' training camp in Australia due to a stress fracture in his lower back and will be replaced by 19-year-old Worcestershire quick Josh Tongue, the ECB have confirmed.

In turn, Porter will take Tongue's place on the Pace Programme later this month with the hope that he will be fit to return for the Lions' series against West Indies A in the New Year.

James Whitaker, the National Selector, said: “While it was initially surprising and disappointing for Jamie and for us to discover he has a stress fracture, we have agreed with him and with Essex that this new approach is the best option."

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Ack. Stress fractures can ruin quicks. Trent Boult hasn't been the same bowler since his stress fracture. Guess he'll be out for a fair while. Hope he gets through it well.
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https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/493947

It doesn’t sound like he needs an op and they are talking about him being available for the Lions early next year

Big shame for him although I guess the timing is a bit better from an Essex perspective
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