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Old 9th July 2015, 14:16   #221
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Why would anyone walk? You know that bowlers and fielders will appeal even though they know they're cheating so why should a batsman be expected to follow a different code?
There's a thread on this, I think, but briefly, and beginning with the second sentence:

>> You don't really know the fielding side will appeal regardless of whether or not they think it's out. Chances are that it'll be a bit of each. But we know there are times when they don't appeal. And it will vary from person to person, and from instance to instance.

>> So your knowledge of how the fielding side are playing the game is not secure enough to base your own position upon. Your own position as a batsman on whether or not to walk is up to you, and you can base it on what you like. Others may or may not have expectations of what it should be. If they do, you don't necessarily have to take any notice of those expectations. But regardless of your position, you're liable to get a bit of stick for it sometimes, simply because opinions differ.

>> So why would anyone walk? Because you know you're out, and you should be given out, and the game is better the more correctly its play follows the laws. That's why we have the UDRS: because the game is improved by better decision-making. When you're batting, you can take the decision yourself sometimes with great certainty, taking others (and their potential mistakes of perception or judgement) out of the equation. As the laws present it in the first instance, being out or not is about what happened to the ball, that is to say it is an ontological and ballistic matter, and it only really becomes an epistemological one in disputed cases. Where there could be a dispute but the batsman feels himself to be in an epistemologically privileged position (i.e. he knows he hit it, but others may not), he is in a position to make sure that the laws are upheld, and he may (and arguably should) do so as a mark of respect towards those laws and the game they represent. Generally this is the only way a batsman has of showing his true fidelity to the game, and speaking personally, I have found it very spiritually enriching to take this opportunity when the occasion has presented itself, regardless of any short-term effects concerning the particular game in progress or the opinions of any team-mates or onlookers.
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Old 9th July 2015, 14:17   #222
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I was just about to say he'd be better off seeing if Moeen can buy a wicket if it's the last over
I'd confidently say that is the earliest spin has been bowled in an innings under Captain Cook.

Must be the new coach ?
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Old 9th July 2015, 14:22   #223
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I'd confidently say that is the earliest spin has been bowled in an innings under Captain Cook.

Must be the new coach ?
No it's the traditional over before lunch from the specialist spinner.
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Old 9th July 2015, 14:48   #224
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Looked out but the slips did not look keen at first..review.
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Old 9th July 2015, 14:53   #225
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Broad looked the more dangerous of the bowlers before lunch, Anderson comes out after lunch and bowled an absolute cracker.
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Old 9th July 2015, 14:55   #226
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Two very poor on field decisions today - Voges "catch" at short leg and Warner lbw to a ball that pitched at least 4 inches outside leg stump. Thank goodness for DRS.
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Old 9th July 2015, 15:00   #227
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Plenty of edges not reaching the slips, partly due to the lack of pace in the pitch.
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Old 9th July 2015, 15:07   #228
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Had a feeling Warner would go early. He loves pace, he doesn't like slow pitches as much though. Anderson deserved a wicket.
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Old 9th July 2015, 15:12   #229
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Another edge short of slip.
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Love Root's reaction there.
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Is Cook OK?
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Old 9th July 2015, 15:14   #232
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Is Cook OK?
He doesn't look happy but he's walking.
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Old 9th July 2015, 15:14   #233
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Is Cook OK?
He better be. When someone misses play because of injury, the injury itself tends to be stated. Missing play, or even a game, because of a "box related injury" is something he'll never live down.
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Old 9th July 2015, 15:26   #234
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He doesn't look happy but he's walking.
Poor sod, I hope it's not too bad.

Where is Cosker fielding?
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Old 9th July 2015, 15:31   #235
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Poor sod, I hope it's not too bad.

Where is Cosker fielding?
First slip. Took a good catch there. This one bounced before it got to him, must have deflected off the surface and missed his hands.

Sorry, not paying attention. No idea.
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Old 9th July 2015, 15:39   #236
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It is always a bit of a relief to nab Warner. He can be such a dangerous batsman once he gets going. England seem to be bowling quite well today and well done to Cooky for a well taken chance. A couple more wickets soon would be welcome.
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Old 9th July 2015, 15:43   #237
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Anderson has bowled 10 out of a possible 11 overs. Workhorse as usual
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Rogers can be hopeless to spin... like a lot of opening bats come to think of it.
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batting looks easy at the moment.
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Old 9th July 2015, 16:03   #240
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batting looks easy at the moment.
If a team doesn't post a sizeable total on this pitch their batting is a little wonky. Granted Aus's batting IS a little wonky, so whether they DO or not is up in the air.
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